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Warmother51 said...
Nothing to apologize for. Some people lives their sheltered lives behind their locked doors and watch the world from afar yet they have the most opinions on how the rest of us should act. Ive had a gun directly pulled on me and I will most certainly say I didnt turn and run only to be shot in the back. To turn and run is a normal reaction for someone who refuses to fight. For someone who would rather die in a corner on his knees.
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tommy said...
Because your ignorance offends me and disgusts me like few other people i have ever met. Because your foolish perception of yourself. Because you continue to spew SHIT from your mouth about topics and issues well beyond your comprehension or understanding. Because you think that because you heard someone else discuss something makes you think you know what you are talking about and because of THAT you keep speaking on things or about people that you know nothing about and others do, things that people have endured or suffered through. For example, your "certainty of how i would react if i were ever in that situation....well i have been in that situation. A close friend of mine was shot in the head over NOTHING...shot in the head standing less than two feet from me. A shot that could have easily hit me. An incident that i tried to defuse while others continued to instigate. So when i say its sad if no one tried to stop this person (if indeed it did last so long which i admitted i only heard on tv and if indeed no one did attempt to stop him) then i say so from very personal experience. Thats why so serious...
But mainly...because your a little boy pretending to exist in a grown up world.
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tWhit said...
Carl should find another board. Nothing he could ever post back could measure up to this. Pure dominance. Find a board with a bunch of scared, liberal jackasses, that judge others from afar in their mothers basement, Carl. And you are certainly not the only one that his ignorance offends Tommy. I wish Junior Seau could come back from the grave and be in a room with Carl for about 90 secs. Now that would be fun to watch.
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tommy said...
Because your ignorance offends me and disgusts me like few other people i have ever met. Because your foolish perception of yourself. Because you continue to spew SHIT from your mouth about topics and issues well beyond your comprehension or understanding. Because you think that because you heard someone else discuss something makes you think you know what you are talking about and because of THAT you keep speaking on things or about people that you know nothing about and others do, things that people have endured or suffered through. For example, your "certainty of how i would react if i were ever in that situation....well i have been in that situation. A close friend of mine was shot in the head over NOTHING...shot in the head standing less than two feet from me. A shot that could have easily hit me. An incident that i tried to defuse while others continued to instigate. So when i say its sad if no one tried to stop this person (if indeed it did last so long which i admitted i only heard on tv and if indeed no one did attempt to stop him) then i say so from very personal experience. Thats why so serious...
But mainly...because your a little boy pretending to exist in a grown up world.
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Warmother51 said...
Nothing to apologize for. Some people lives their sheltered lives behind their locked doors and watch the world from afar yet they have the most opinions on how the rest of us should act. Ive had a gun directly pulled on me and I will most certainly say I didnt turn and run only to be shot in the back. To turn and run is a normal reaction for someone who refuses to fight. For someone who would rather die in a corner on his knees.
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Some people means me I know. You know nothing about me and my life. And as I said to tommy a gun at point blank range is an entirely different situation than what the people in that theater endured. Too bad you and tommy weren't there. You 2 could have just run at him without being able to see anything. Run that 50 feet while a guy clad in body armor firing an AR-15 at you. To turn and run or to try to find cover in that situation is a normal reaction for anyone. You and Tommy think you would play the hero. That's fine with me. Maybe you would. As for me I'd rather live and have another day and more with my friends and family because charging that guy in that situation is nothing but suicide. And even though you insult me a lot I'm glad that guy didn't shoot you in the face. Same for you Tommy. What fun would this board be without people to argue with?
And Tommy even though that was an entire barrage of insults at me I still like ya. I aint mad atcha.
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Warmother51 said...
Have you ever been hit with Tear gas? Its severe but if you have dealt with it then its not that severe. You keep doin you. At the end of the day if you could have laid your head down and said I did everything I could then thats fine. That isnt and has never been me.
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Honestly there are several things that would effect my decisions. Now my family would be first that is correct. I would get them out if that meant showing them the exit and they didnt have to get closer to the guy firing. If they did have to get closer I would have them get flat on the ground, then I am going to try to get as close as possible to disable the gunman. I guess the difference is I have been trained to go find an active shooter and I know one of two things happen, either the guy gets tired of killing or is killed himself. I always carry a weapon on me at all times. Now that may not be a pistol or firearm but I always have something. Now is that ideal in this situation? No of course not but I couldnt turn my back and run when innocent people are dying. Its just not in me to do that. I could not live with the screams and the terror going through my mind night after night.
When that gun was pulled on me I wasnt close to the guy at all. I was probably 40 ft away. He turned to say something to another guy and I rushed him. The other guy grabbed the shotgun and I choked the guy out, literally 3 different times. Each time he would wake up he would try to fight again. Eventually I had to actually save the guy because he started vomiting(he was drunk) and I had to roll him over on his side and make sure he didnt choke to death like that. The best part of this story is this happened when I worked at the Jail. Guess who got to see him virtually every day for 6 months. Yep me. Point is and I dont wanna sound all gung-ho nonsense about this but Ive been trained to go toward the gunfire. Cause I know that is where the threat is. My wife is military too and she knows that her job is to get the kids out of harms way. We discuss things like this because we know it could happen at any time. For me I just cant understand "retreat".
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Yep, that's pretty weak. I hadn't heard that.
As sad as this whole thing is, here's the kicker: it should have been worse. This dude was a screw-up, which is no surprise, but his bomb didn't go off and his weapon jammed. We have to be thankful that he "only" killed 16 people. It could have been much much worse.
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There were military people there. Several of them died. 3 or 4 I believe. The police response was 90 seconds in this case so you probably wouldn't have had time to get your loved ones out, assess the situation, go back in, take the guy out. Surely once the police arrived which was pretty much instantly you would have left it to them.
How far are front row seats to the screen? I'm terrible at judging distances. 20 feet maybe? He was in the corner by the exit even with the screen. He had a clear vision of that entire front row. I don't doubt your sincerity and it's admirable. I just don't see how anyone would have the chance to blind side the guy considering all that. In this situation a gun wouldn't do any good either when you really think about it. Because it all happened so fast. You know as soon as you fire you're gonna draw fire. You'd have to hit him with a head shot with your first shot or you would immediately draw fire. Dark theater, tear gas, family with you you probably wouldn't risk that. I'm not doubting your marksmanship but that's not even close to 100% kill shot and I don't think you'd risk drawing the fire with family or friends there. By yourself you might. The Arizona shooting situation would be a scenario where someone with a gun would definitely have done some good. That lasted longer. Daylight. He didn't have his back into a corner and was open on many angles.
"By yourself you might". I don't mean that as just you. When I say "you" i mean anyone. Like in general. See what I'm sayin? I think a lot of anger in this thread came from me not making that point clearly enough.
Carl, I'm just gonna be straight up honest with you.... OUTSTANDING POST!!! That was in no way argumentative or worded in such a way to degrade anyone.... there was no pompous or snide remarks to ruffle any feathers and there was no reason for anyone to be offended (unlike normally). That was just a flat out great perspective of ones opinion and a well thought out assessment... even a Tea Party kinda guy, who always disagrees with you, will have a hard time finding reason to argue with that kind of post. haha
You said... " I think a lot of anger in this thread came from me not making that point clearly enough."
Truth be told... you've been the instigator of MANY threads full of anger due to NOT making your points clearly enough (or should I say... your "unwillingness" to). Funny thing is... if you would've made similar efforts a long time ago or, at least, tried to post more sensibly (more often than not)... you would have many more TCP members willing to have serious, civil discussions with you. As you know, I (and a few others) gave up on that idea a long time ago... because we found it impossible to take you serious. Well thought out, sensible, non-offensive posts like the one above, are the kinds that deserve nothing but a respectable reply in return... even by those who may disagree.
All of us can be civil and make more sensible posts when we respect others opinions... even when we strongly disagree. However, when we constantly post comments that are offensive, full of hate or for the purpose of baiting an argument... then, people stop taking us serious and only reply with the same kind of childish venom. I will be the first to admit... "GUILTY AS CHARGED".
I just thought that after all of your posts, in which I replied to with sarcastic, rude and hateful comments... the least I can do, is give credit where credit is due and admit when I actually "respect" a post of yours...where you, not only make sense, but make a strong argument as well... WITHOUT being "argumentative" in the process (if that makes any sense). lol
Anyway... a well deserved +1
Btw... YES, I'm still sober this morning.
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JawJacker said...
Dear Lord... PLEEEASE don't tell me that bullsh!t actually happened. Is there really that level of cowardice existing in our sorry world? That's the first time I heard that story... that guy is every bit as disgusting, as the terrorist joker who did the killing. IMHCO.
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CarlLexington said...
It happened and his name is George Costanza. And thanks for the kind response.
Well... George Costanza should be SHUNNED by everyone who knows him for the rest of his sad existence (family or not). I'd be embarrassed to be kin to him in any way, shape or form.
Oh... and you're welcome!
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Jamie Rohrs, of Aurora, Colorado, took his girlfriend Patricia Legarreta to a midnight showing of as you might expect many boyfriends did as a date. In fact, in a mildly kind gesture, he also brought both Legarreta and her two young children. But then...
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