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  • CarlLexington said...

    About to be a shake up in the cabinet. Hillary is leaving for sure. Geitner and Panetta are likely leaving. I think I'm forgetting someone else. Anyway. They're talking John Kerry being secretary of state. He'd be beyond great with that job but I don't know if I want to see him leave the senate.

    Yep--Kerry would likely be replaced by Scott Brown in the Senate, so that makes the appointment unlikely unless Kerry really begs for it.

    Hillary has done a great job. Geithner has done what he had to do. The only other cabinet member who has been outstanding is Arne Duncan, so I hope he stays.

    If Panetta goes, Chuck Hagel would be an apt replacement.

    At Treasury, it'd be great to see Michael Bloomberg (or at Commerce), but I doubt he'd do it. It'll probably be Jake Lew.

    At HHS (if they need one) or Homeland Security (ditto), I'd like to see Richard Carmona. He lost his election the other night in Arizona for the Senate, but he's an interesting and very capable guy.

    djkycat54906

  • dj-ky-cat said...

    Yep--Kerry would likely be replaced by Scott Brown in the Senate, so that makes the appointment unlikely unless Kerry really begs for it.

    Why would he be replaced by Scott Brown? Isn't the replacement picked by the governor? He can choose anyone he wants. He could even sell the seat if he wants too. lol

    stillDA23

  • stillDA23 said...

    Why would he be replaced by Scott Brown? Isn't the replacement picked by the governor? He can choose anyone he wants. He could even sell the seat if he wants too. lol

    Deval Patrick would indeed pick a Democrat to fill the seat, but then they'd have to have a special election. Brown might not win that, but he'd be the odds-on favorite. If I'm not mistaken Ted Kennedy's replacement had about four months in the seat.

    djkycat54906

  • And even if the dem beat Brown that seat would be far from as secure as it is with Kerry holding it. The more I think about it I want Kerry in the senate. He's not just a voice for the democrats he's a strong voice for us. We need his leadership now more than ever.

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  • Poor fella Mitch is in some trouble. If he does the right thing and does a compromise he's going to have a teabagger from the extreme right maybe taking him out in the primary. If he does the wrong thing and continues the obstruction the entire nation is sick of a moderate democrat can likely take him out. Oh and besides all that he's in real danger of being fired as minority leader. Poor poor Mitch "droopy dog". Tell me he doesn't look like droopy.

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  • I just read that Mitch kept his leadership job. In other news, the republican party learned nothing from their election slaughter.

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  • CarlLexington said...

    I just read that Mitch kept his leadership job. In other news, the republican party learned nothing from their election slaughter.

    They should have learned "something".... but throwing in the towel would be the wrong answer.

    Serious question... if the economy and unemployment rating still sucks at the end of Barry's 2nd term, will it STILL be Bush's fault?

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  • JawJacker said...

    They should have learned "something".... but throwing in the towel would be the wrong answer.

    Serious question... if the economy and unemployment rating still sucks at the end of Barry's 2nd term, will it STILL be Bush's fault?

    So kicking Mitch out of the leadership role for the worst congress in history and failing in his sole goal of making Obama a one term president is equivalent to throwing in the towel? The only thing the repugs learned is that they should put lipstick on the hog. They learned to keep their true feelings and goals to themseves. Basically they learned to lie even more more what they believe in in hopes of getting Hispanics.

    Serious answer: The economy is and has been improving. All indicators say so. This is fact. I know you don't get those only watching faux news but the fact remains. The unemployment rate has improved steadily adding jobs by the hundreds of thousands every month for over 2 years now. Again, I know you don't get these facts only watching faux news but the fact remains. So I disagree with your original premise that things suck. They aren't perfect. Never will be. But they are improving steadily and if the repugs stop with the obstructionism and reach a meaningful compromise with the President to avoid the fiscal cliff things will start improving even faster.

    I see you didn't learn anything from the beating. One of the major reasons you lost is because of your sides total disregard for facts. See a fact you don't like, just say the facts are wrong. Polls not going your way, say they are wrong and make up your own polls showing what you want. Ohio goes for Obama, say no don't call it yet. Man contributes to climate change, no, doesn't fit the big business agenda so climate change doesn't exist. I remember a time when repugs and democrats argued vehemently over policy and direction of country but they all at least took facts as facts and worked from there. It isn't like that anymore and it's a shame. It does a disservice to repugs, conservatives, and the country as a whole. This isn't as simple as you guys not mentioning women and rape anymore and it's not about you guys pandering to Hispanics. Those things are just putting lipstick on a pig. You need to shoot the pig and replace it with a human being. Personally I hope you, faux, rush, beck, and the rest of the kooks win your civil war. That will just mean more slaughters of your ilk in the future. This "free stuff" excuse coming from rush and then parroted by Romney is proof positive you guys are going to win. I love it.

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  • CarlLexington said...

    So kicking Mitch out of the leadership role for the worst congress in history and failing in his sole goal of making Obama a one term president is equivalent to throwing in the towel? The only thing the repugs learned is that they should put lipstick on the hog. They learned to keep their true feelings and goals to themseves. Basically they learned to lie even more more what they believe in in hopes of getting Hispanics.

    Serious answer: The economy is and has been improving. All indicators say so. This is fact. I know you don't get those only watching faux news but the fact remains. The unemployment rate has improved steadily adding jobs by the hundreds of thousands every month for over 2 years now. Again, I know you don't get these facts only watching faux news but the fact remains. So I disagree with your original premise that things suck. They aren't perfect. Never will be. But they are improving steadily and if the repugs stop with the obstructionism and reach a meaningful compromise with the President to avoid the fiscal cliff things will start improving even faster.

    I see you didn't learn anything from the beating. One of the major reasons you lost is because of your sides total disregard for facts. See a fact you don't like, just say the facts are wrong. Polls not going your way, say they are wrong and make up your own polls showing what you want. Ohio goes for Obama, say no don't call it yet. Man contributes to climate change, no, doesn't fit the big business agenda so climate change doesn't exist. I remember a time when repugs and democrats argued vehemently over policy and direction of country but they all at least took facts as facts and worked from there. It isn't like that anymore and it's a shame. It does a disservice to repugs, conservatives, and the country as a whole. This isn't as simple as you guys not mentioning women and rape anymore and it's not about you guys pandering to Hispanics. Those things are just putting lipstick on a pig. You need to shoot the pig and replace it with a human being. Personally I hope you, faux, rush, beck, and the rest of the kooks win your civil war. That will just mean more slaughters of your ilk in the future. This "free stuff" excuse coming from rush and then parroted by Romney is proof positive you guys are going to win. I love it.

    ^^^GARBAGE^^^ pukeface

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  • JawJacker said...

    ^^^GARBAGE^^^ pukeface

    Yeah, you are.

    P.S. Nice retort.

    This post was edited by CarlLexington on 11/15/2012 at 4:39 PM

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  • CarlLexington said...

    Yeah, you are.

    P.S. Nice retort.

    Why bother with a serious retort when you spew this "garbage"...

    "Personally I hope you, faux, rush, beck, and the rest of the kooks win your civil war. That will just mean more slaughters of your ilk in the future."

    Seriously Carl... When you over exaggerate the views of others and mislabel everyone on the right with your misguided broad-brushed opinions and personal attacks, you don't deserve a "serious" or "civil" retort/reply. Especially, while completely ignoring anything and everything that is wrong with the left. In your mind, Obama and others on the left (even extremist media hacks) CAN SAY OR DO NO WRONG!... that makes you unworthy of any dignified responses. Until you can admit your party's screw ups... like this whole Benghazi thing, you're nothing more than a hack yourself (an unrealistic hypocrite). At least I can admit when my side screws up and make no excuses for them... you make excuses for everything, as if your side is full of righteous saints.

    I mean seriously, do you really think people on the right are that evil ... or that we all deserve your kind of evil hatred and death wishes? What kind of human really feels that way? I know... one who's NOT human at all. I only know of two subhumans who feel that way... YOU and BB4Life.
    Now that I think about it... that's actually only "ONE" subhuman, so the world isn't as bad as I thought. coffee

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  • JawJacker said...

    Why bother with a serious retort when you spew this "garbage"...

    "Personally I hope you, faux, rush, beck, and the rest of the kooks win your civil war. That will just mean more slaughters of your ilk in the future."

    Seriously Carl... When you over exaggerate the views others and mislabel everyone on the right with your misguided broad-brushed opinions and personal attacks, you don't deserve a "serious" or "civil" retort/reply. Especially, while completely ignoring anything and everything that is wrong with the left. In your mind, Obama and others on the left (even extremist media hacks) CAN SAY OR DO NO WRONG!... that makes you unworthy of any dignified responses. Until you can admit your party's screw ups... like this whole Benghazi thing, you're nothing more than a hack yourself (an unrealistic hypocrite). At least I can admit when my side screws up and make no excuses for them... you make excuses for everything, as if your side is full righteous saints.

    How did the democrats screw up Benghazi? Your entire political opinion is everything the right does is correct and they do no wrong. Everything on the left is wrong. You are exactly what you describe me as only reversed. When Obama got drilled in the 1st debate I was the first one that posted about it. So you're full of shit. Now back to Benghazi, explain to me how you think the dems screwed up Benghazi.

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  • CarlLexington said...

    How did the democrats screw up Benghazi? Your entire political opinion is everything the right does is correct and they do no wrong. Everything on the left is wrong. You are exactly what you describe me as only reversed. When Obama got drilled in the 1st debate I was the first one that posted about it. So you're full of shit. Now back to Benghazi, explain to me how you think the dems screwed up Benghazi.

    What planet are you on? Everyone knows that Obama knew exactly what was about to happen... and that IT WAS INDEED a "terrorist attack" HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY MOVIE. He lied over and over about it. The worst part is... those brave men asked Obama for more protection and military support days and weeks before the attack and BARRY IGNORED THEM!!!. Their blood is on Obama's hands and he acts like "Oh well... no big deal". Then, instead of manning up (for fear of ruining his reelection hopes), he dodges questions and sends others (women) out to defend his sorry ass. Then what does he do for them to show his appreciation.... he rolls them under his short yellow bus. See what I mean... EXCUSES, EXCUSES, EXCUSES.
    You know no other way. GIMME A BREAK!

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  • JawJacker said...

    What planet are you on? Everyone knows that Obama knew exactly what was about to happen... and that IT WAS INDEED a "terrorist attack" HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY MOVIE. He lied over and over about it. The worst part is... those brave men asked Obama for more protection and military support days and weeks before the attack and BARRY IGNORED THEM!!!. Their blood is on Obama's hands and he acts like "Oh well... no big deal". Then, instead of manning up (for fear of ruining his reelection hopes), he dodges questions and sends others (women) out to defend his sorry ass. Then what does he do for them to show his appreciation.... he rolls them under his short yellow bus. See what I mean... EXCUSES, EXCUSES, EXCUSES. You know no other way. GIMME A BREAK!

    Point proven about the disregard for facts and making up your own.

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  • Until you guys start bringing up some new stuff to squabble about on this board....well....I'm bored with it. Can't we find some new more interesting things to argue about on the political side. How bout some real issues? Everybody knows Obama screwed the pooch on Bengazi. Only a F'ing CarlLexington could argue otherwise. lol.

    tWhit

  • Yeah. I'm with tWhit in this. Maybe we can do a "hottest women in politics thread." Olympia Snow is not qualified.

    stillDA23

  • tWhit said...

    Everybody knows Obama screwed the pooch on Bengazi. Only a F'ing CarlLexington could argue otherwise. lol.

    Yeah. Me and everyone else interested in truth and fact. The State Department decides what embassies get what security. So blaming Obama for not giving enough security is wrong. Simple as that. The President has nothing to do with that. It's State. Second, blaming Susan Rice is beyond retarded and also wrong. She gave the talking points given to her, congress, and the President by the CIA. These were the official reports of the CIA. Even McCain and Huckleberry Graham have had to back off that crap since Betrayus confirmed this in closed hearings. The information the CIA gave was wrong. That's all. This entire Benghazi thing is a trumped up attempt by the right to give Obama a scandal. It's so glaringly obvious. And idiots that only watch right wing "news" believe the bullshit because they want to believe it.

    My personal belief is that Betrayus knowingly gave this bad info in hopes of hurting Obama's reelection bid. He knew he was done and hates Obama so he was trying to stick it to him before he hit the door. Those unbelievably wrong reports had to be signed off on by him. If you go back through one of these threads you'll see me saying terrorists did Benghazi only a day or 2 after it happened. Rachel Maddow did a 15 minute breakdown of the entire thing basically proving it was terrorists only a day or 2 after the event. However my Betrayus theory is just that, a theory. I have no proof whatsoever and I wouldn't accept it as fact unless the facts were proven. I'm not like you righties or faux "news" or rush or beck. I don't just announce unproven theories as newsworthy fact. You people are conservative sheep. It's pathetic.

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  • Carl, do you believe Bush screwed the pooch during Katrina? Because after reading your last response, you have to say no if you have any integrity.

    stillDA23

  • stillDA23 said...

    Carl, do you believe Bush screwed the pooch during Katrina? Because after reading your last response, you have to say no if you have any integrity.

    I don't know how you figure that. They are 2 completely different situations. Bush did screw the pooch on Katrina along with others. He wasn't the only one. I think comparing Bush's handling of Katrina with Obama's handling of Sandy is a better comparison.

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  • CarlLexington said...

    I don't know how you figure that. They are 2 completely different situations. Bush did screw the pooch on Katrina along with others. He wasn't the only one. I think comparing Bush's handling of Katrina with Obama's handling of Sandy is a better comparison.

    Ok, here's a better comparison... did Bush screw the pooch on Iraq and the WMD's? If you answer "yes" then you have no integrity... and further prove yourself to be a hypocrite (of the worst kind).

    In BOTH incidents, the POTUS relied on the intelligence information gathered from CIA and Military professionals... and they BOTH made decisions (good or bad) based on that intel (good or bad). Bush received overwhelming support from Congress and given the "go-ahead" to strike Iraq. YES... even from the left-wingers. They ALL were privy to the same intel... and most ALL (but a few flippers) supported Bush's actions.

    If this all happened under Bush's watch... the "exact" same Benghazi mess, with the "exact" same details, "exact" same intelligence and in the "exact" same way, YOUR sleazy hypocrite ass would be screaming foul and calling for Bush's head... blaming him and him only for every damn thing that happened (or didn't happen).

    You're so predictable... everyone can read you like a cheap used book. (fairy tale that is) coffee

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  • JawJacker said...

    Ok, here's a better comparison... did Bush screw the pooch on Iraq and the WMD's? If you answer "yes" then you have no integrity... and further prove yourself to be a hypocrite (of the worst kind).

    In BOTH incidents, the POTUS relied on the intelligence information gathered from CIA and Military professionals... and they BOTH made decisions (good or bad) based on that intel (good or bad). Bush received overwhelming support from Congress and given the "go-ahead" to strike Iraq. YES... even from the left-wingers. They ALL were privy to the same intel... and most ALL (but a few flippers) supported Bush's actions.

    If this all happened under Bush's watch... the "exact" same Benghazi mess, with the "exact" same details, "exact" same intelligence and in the "exact" same way, YOUR sleazy hypocrite ass would be screaming foul and calling for Bush's head... blaming him and him only for every damn thing that happened (or didn't happen).

    You're so predictable... everyone can read you like a cheap used book. (fairy tale that is) coffee

    You can call me whatever you want and believe whatever you want but the facts remain the Democrats and Obama weren't responsible for Benghazi and there was no conspiracy theory cover up.

    Going into Iraq was everyones fault. Bush, every politician that voted for it, the military itching for a fight with anyone, CIA for terrible reports, the media for not asking questions and just letting whatever pass without question. Everyone. Of course WMD was just a smokescreen.

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  • CarlLexington said...

    You can call me whatever you want and believe whatever you want but the facts remain the Democrats and Obama weren't responsible for Benghazi and there was no conspiracy theory cover up.

    Going into Iraq was everyones fault. Bush, every politician that voted for it, the military itching for a fight with anyone, CIA for terrible reports, the media for not asking questions and just letting whatever pass without question. Everyone. Of course WMD was just a smokescreen.

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  • CarlLexington said...

    You can call me whatever you want and believe whatever you want but the facts remain the Democrats and Obama weren't responsible for Benghazi and there was no conspiracy theory cover up.

    Going into Iraq was everyones fault. Bush, every politician that voted for it, the military itching for a fight with anyone, CIA for terrible reports, the media for not asking questions and just letting whatever pass without question. Everyone. Of course WMD was just a smokescreen.

    Yeah, Carl. You're exactly what we thought.

    stillDA23

  • Nice how you just ignore the bottom portion of my post... and dodge painting yourself as the hypocrite you are.

    So "what if" Bush were prez during this whole Benghazi thing... would you or would you not blame Bush? C'mon... you know you would keep in step with the drones.... and side with all the other leftist conspiracy theorists and media hacks.

    ADMIT IT!!!! You fake piece of crap.

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  • JawJacker said...

    Nice how you just ignore the bottom portion of my post... and dodge painting yourself as the hypocrite you are.

    So "what if" Bush were prez during this whole Benghazi thing... would you or would you not blame Bush? C'mon... you know you would keep in step with the drones.... and side with all the other leftist conspiracy theorists and media hacks.

    ADMIT IT!!!! You fake piece of crap.

    Nice how you dodged entire posts I made. Hypocrite. You're talking hypotheticals. When you get back to planet reality you can talk hypotheticals. Until you can show how dems and Obama are at fault for Benghazi I'm not answering any of your stupid hypotheticals.

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