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  • If Reagan really believed in his "doctrine" (and I think he did) which was to speak no ill of another Republican, he probably wouldn't pick any of them.

    djkycat54906

  • dj-ky-cat said...

    If Reagan really believed in his "doctrine" (and I think he did) which was to speak no ill of another Republican, he probably wouldn't pick any of them.

    I think you are correct DJ

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    JawJacker

  • I love that Gingrich is pissed off. He's a smart guy, he should have known that he was never and never will be a viable candidate for POTUS.

    BigTyrone

  • BigTyrone said...

    I love that Gingrich is pissed off. He's a smart guy, he should have known that he was never and never will be a viable candidate for POTUS.

    Newt has been pissed off since 1967. The summer of 1967. The spring started out with so much promise and it's been downhill ever since.

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    CarlLexington

  • CarlLexington said...

    In his defense those tea party yahoos are pretty uncontrollable. I don't know why we don't call them what they are, Anarchists. They try to hold every single bill and every single idea hostage for leverage. Sure you do that sometimes. That's just politics. But you don't do it every single time and you sure don't do it with middle/lower income paychecks. This has given Obama a boost and I think it will be the straw that breaks the Tea Party's back. These last elections were a rejection of the Tea Party. This debacle is the death blow.

    You are wrong about the Tea Party and if the idiots in control of the Republican party listened to them more often we wouldn't have the disaster we had.

    It's stupid to have a 'payroll tax deduction' that is a suspension of adding to SSN and medicare. It's stupid. Both programs are struggling and you want to stop adding to them? Crazy. Besides that Dems have said for years that neither program is a tax so how do they now call this a tax? You know how they are paying for this? They are adding a 1-2% fee/tax onto new mortgages underwritten by Fannie & Freddie... How stupid is that? Down housing market, people struggling to buy homes and you want to make them more expensive. Smart...not!

    Their may be some anarchist in the tea party but they are few and far between. The Tea party is about limited government and your continued slandering of them is absurd.

    We need to vote all the incumbents out of both parties!

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    Stoopified!

    cobbycobb

  • Wow. Just wow.

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    CarlLexington

  • CarlLexington said...

    Wow. Just wow.

    Seriously... Cobby is spot on in that last post. Carl... I ask that you research those claims by Cobby yourself (issue by issue as he posted). You WILL be WOW'ed!!! Facts don't discriminate against one party or another... they are what they are. (facts).

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    JawJacker

  • Question... How in the hell can Recess Appointments be made, when Congress is NOT in a "Recess"? Obama displays a blatant disregard for the U.S. Constitution... and often.
    It keeps getting scarier with each passing day with him in office... WAKE UP AMERICA!!!

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  • Mike Huckabee should have ran... he would've won the nominee by a landslide.

    Focusing on who IS running, I've always heard to beware of the one making the less noise... so I'm paying more attention to Huntsman at the moment. He may prove to be the surprise dark horse in this race.

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  • JawJacker said...

    Seriously... Cobby is spot on in that last post. Carl... I ask that you research those claims by Cobby yourself (issue by issue as he posted). You WILL be WOW'ed!!! Facts don't discriminate against one party or another... they are what they are. (facts).

    I'd rather not get into it. It's a difference of philosophy and it won't be changed either way. I'll just say that the tea party and tea partiers are the last people on earth that should talk about facts and reality. They don't have a grasp on either. When you can't even get your over the top exreme right agenda passed in Mississippi it is an outright rejection of you.

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  • JawJacker said...

    Mike Huckabee should have ran... he would've won the nominee by a landslide.

    Focusing on who IS running, I've always heard to beware of the one making the less noise... so I'm paying more attention to Huntsman at the moment. He may prove to be the surprise dark horse in this race.

    Huckabee would have been slaughtered in the general election. The same as Santorum if he wins. Huntsman is dead in the water. He can't even get close in New Hampshire. Unless that changes pretty fast he's done.

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  • CarlLexington said...

    I'd rather not get into it. It's a difference of philosophy and it won't be changed either way. I'll just say that the tea party and tea partiers are the last people on earth that should talk about facts and reality. They don't have a grasp on either. When you can't even get your over the top exreme right agenda passed in Mississippi it is an outright rejection of you.

    I have to disagree with your view of the Tea Party... I will leave it at that, but I DO agree with your "difference in philosophy" point. No matter what we think about certain issues or party affiliates... there is always the philosophical differences that ultimately, sway us one way or another.

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  • I hate the term RINO. I'm not a republican but that totally divides you guys. If Reagan was alive today he'd be called a RINO. Basically all a RINO is is a moderate that realizes in politics you can't get everything you want and will actually work with the opposing party to try to get things done for the country. God bless the RINO's. I wish we had more of them.

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  • Play

    http://www.youtube.com/v/Nh2iyPmucFk
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    It smells like microwaved homeless people in here.

    Warmother51

  • Haha ... I feel like I just witnessed the birth of a Republican in that video. biggrin

    This post was edited by JawJacker on 1/8/2012 at 10:00 AM

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  • JawJacker said...

    Haha ... I feel like I just witnessed the birth of a Republican in that video. biggrin

    That's one the reasons I'm pro choice. ZING!!

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  • CarlLexington said...

    That's one the reasons I'm pro choice. ZING!!

    lol

    nice

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    JawJacker

  • CarlLexington said...

    I hate the term RINO. I'm not a republican but that totally divides you guys. If Reagan was alive today he'd be called a RINO. Basically all a RINO is is a moderate that realizes in politics you can't get everything you want and will actually work with the opposing party to try to get things done for the country. God bless the RINO's. I wish we had more of them.

    WE AGREEEEE it's a miracle. I'm a registered independent who will not vote for Obama. I'm a Romney fan.

    Reagan was president of a union, pro choice and supported higher taxes in his life. Why is Romney so awful? If Reagan can change his mind why can't other people?

    hoptownukfan

  • hoptownukfan said...

    WE AGREEEEE it's a miracle. I'm a registered independent who will not vote for Obama. I'm a Romney fan.

    Reagan was president of a union, pro choice and supported higher taxes in his life. Why is Romney so awful? If Reagan can change his mind why can't other people?

    Because a lot of those people that won't change their minds never had much of a mind to begin with. I don't mind someone changing their minds unless they change it multiple times to suit whatever the constituency they happen to be trying to appease at that moment. That's my major problem with Romney.

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  • CarlLexington said...

    Because a lot of those people that won't change their minds never had much of a mind to begin with. I don't mind someone changing their minds unless they change it multiple times to suit whatever the constituency they happen to be trying to appease at that moment. That's my major problem with Romney.

    it's a pretty big problem. He's spend the last year trying to convince people what a hard-core righty he is. To win the general election, he's going to have to go back and highlight his moderate credentials. I don't see how anybody knows what to expect from him.

    Personally, I think (given his background, socio-economic status, and religion), that he's always been a conservative who governed as a moderate. But he could really be a moderate or he could really be a guy who goes whichever way the wind blows.

    djkycat54906

  • I don't care about romney's stance on social issues. That is what he is accused of being a flip flopper in.

    What we need in the white house is a proven leader. Why is Barack Obama an epic failure? Because he never led anything before he got in the white house.

    Romney, whether you like his policies or not is a proven leader at every level. He's been a wildly successful leader in the private sector and he was a very effective leader as a governor. He tackled big issues
    That needed tackling and fixed problems that needed fixing.

    Obama took office when the entire house (economy) was on fire and he tried to re-model the kitchen (healthcare).

    In his supply side effort for stimulus (stimulus was a good idea) he flopped. He spent the money on companies that had no chance to succeed and spent money on hiring government employees. If he had spent the money investing in real infrastructure and real businesses it could have had a chance. Instead he spent it in useless crap that provided nothing for economic growth.

    Obama has proven to be "not ready for prime time". The stage was too Big and he didnt know how to handle the situation.

    Romney, while not perfect understands practicality in leadership and he understands how to analyze a situation and make he best and sometimes hardest decision.

    Every president in the last 40 years had "flip flopped" on multiple issues. George w bush on stem cell research, Reagan on every issue, Clinton on right to work and partial birth abortion, George h w bush on abortion, and Obama on the surge in Iraq.

    While i didn't want to believe the rhetoric about Obama and extremism my judgement of him 3 years ago prove to be naive. I voted for him and I now regret it as much as anything I have ever done.

    He userped the legislative process on health care reform, his NLRB has proven to be as anti-capitalistic as any in history and his EPA has been a 100% disaster.

    Obama will go down as one of tr worst presidents in us history.

    This post was edited by hoptownukfan on 1/9/2012 at 9:03 PM

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  • I'm not thrilled with Obama either and I won't apologize for him but I don't think he's been as bad as you do. Nothing even close to being the worst President ever. He'll have 4 more years to go for it though lol Right now I'd put him in the middle. Maybe lower third. I don't think you're considering he's having to work with the most disagreeable congress in history. I would say Obama has made some very tough decisions. The Bin Laden raid and taking out the Somali pirates are a couple. Romney has never had to make anything close to those kinds of decisions. In the private sector Romney was just a hatchet man. The only decisions he had to make was how many people he wanted to fire. And since he likes firing people, he said so himself, those weren't tough decisions at all. What tough decisions has Romney made? His health care in mass is even more left than Obama's. If my choice is Romney or Obama I choose neither but if I did vote I'd go with Obama and it wouldn't even be close.

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  • CarlLexington said...

    I'm not thrilled with Obama either and I won't apologize for him but I don't think he's been as bad as you do. Nothing even close to being the worst President ever. He'll have 4 more years to go for it though lol Right now I'd put him in the middle. Maybe lower third. I don't think you're considering he's having to work with the most disagreeable congress in history. I would say Obama has made some very tough decisions. The Bin Laden raid and taking out the Somali pirates are a couple. Romney has never had to make anything close to those kinds of decisions. In the private sector Romney was just a hatchet man. The only decisions he had to make was how many people he wanted to fire. And since he likes firing people, he said so himself, those weren't tough decisions at all. What tough decisions has Romney made? His health care in mass is even more left than Obama's. If my choice is Romney or Obama I choose neither but if I did vote I'd go with Obama and it wouldn't even be close.

    Your accusation on Romney is categorically false in regards to how he operated in the private sector. You're reading dnc talking ponits. That doesn't even deserve a response.

    In terms of "tough decisions". Any president would have gone in and gotten Bin laden. that's an easy decision.

    Most disagreeable congress in history? He had a super majority his first two years as president. he refuses to deal with congress. he (obama) refuses to negotiate or inject himself into discussions with congress.

    he's a miserable leader. Reagan and Clinton, two of the better presidents in the last century both faced a situation where the entire congress for the majority (in reagan's case his entire time in office) was controled by the opposite party yet they were able to get a TON accomplished and were able to create a terrific environment for our economy and society to thrive. Obama, with a super majority for two years and 1/2 the congress for the other year has failed miserably. he's petty, he's immature and he doesn't understand how the real world works.
    i learned my lesson. Don't elect somebody president who has never lead anything in their life.

    hoptownukfan

  • I would encourage you to watch this segment about your juvenile accusation with Romney.

    http://johnkingusa.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/09/the-truth-romney-and-bain/

    Romeny admits that when you go in and buy bankrupt and failing companies you can't bring them ALL back from the dead. The good news is that they did bring many back from the dead. He can use the word "saved" credibly with most of the companies he bought and turned around.

    it's the nature of what he did. he went in, bought companies who were bankrupt or on the verge of bankruptcy and tried to turn them around. in essence, tried to save the comapnies and the jobs that came with them. Anybody with half a brain knows that the way you save a company is to get lean and mean and try to save anywhere you can.

    Frankly, it's what needs to happen with our broken federal government. We need to get lean and mean.

    hoptownukfan

  • Hhoptownukfan said...

    Your accusation on Romney is categorically false in regards to how he operated in the private sector. You're reading dnc talking ponits. That doesn't even deserve a response.

    In terms of "tough decisions". Any president would have gone in and gotten Bin laden. that's an easy decision.

    Most disagreeable congress in history? He had a super majority his first two years as president. he refuses to deal with congress. he (obama) refuses to negotiate or inject himself into discussions with congress.

    he's a miserable leader. Reagan and Clinton, two of the better presidents in the last century both faced a situation where the entire congress for the majority (in reagan's case his entire time in office) was controled by the opposite party yet they were able to get a TON accomplished and were able to create a terrific environment for our economy and society to thrive. Obama, with a super majority for two years and 1/2 the congress for the other year has failed miserably. he's petty, he's immature and he doesn't understand how the real world works. i learned my lesson. Don't elect somebody president who has never lead anything in their life.

    It isn't false. It's what he did. He cut others jobs. He didn't take a pay cut did he.

    It wasn't an easy decision and you know it. He had several safer options. He didn't know for sure if it was even him. It was a 60% chance at best. When you consider, and he did, the failed mission in Iran under Carter and blackhawk down it was a terribly tough call to make and how dare you pretend it wasn't just because you hate him.

    By far the most disagreeable and the number of censures backs me up 100%. He never had a super majority in both houses which is what you need nowadays to do anything. He has tried and tried to work with congress and they have continuously disregarded him. You're wrong. And it was officially a super majority but not really. Any blue dog dem, and there are several, crossing the aisle ends any so-called super majority. For all intents and purposes he didn't have one and what's more he shouldn't need one. This super majority is unconsitutional and isn't what the founding fathers intended.

    Reagan and Clinton both worked with congresses that would work with them even though they were each opposing congresses. Yes Clinton and Reagan both deserve credit for working with opposing congresses but the congresses of each party deserve just as much credit for working with a president of an opposing party. Obama has tried and tried to work with them and they won't even compromise on things they agreed with him on in the past. They have said their number one goal is to make Obama a one term president. Not the economy. Not Health care. Not education. Killing Obama. They do that by putting down anything he might get credit for that would help the country. I blame him for not knocking his own parties heads when they needed it and I'm not enthused by him but he's a GOD compared to that do nothing congress that would rather flush us all down the toilet than to compromise on anything. Our credit being downgraded is a prime example. Obama offered what was recommended in cuts to go along with a modest revenue hike on the top 1%. If it was acted on by congress we wouldn't have been downgraded and our recovery would have been further down the road than it is. But congress shot it down without even considering it.

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