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  • His saying some prenatal care is ok is just covering his butt. He wants it outlawed. He's a saying a mother doesn't have the right to be tested and then decide what SHE wants to do. He wants to stick the Governments nose into the discussion and not even give her the option to make her own choice. Surely Rick will set up a new Government fund to pay for all these babies the parents can't afford. Here is his quote.

    “The bottom line is that a lot of prenatal tests are done to identify deformities in utero and the customary procedure is to encourage abortions,” Santorum said during an appearance on CBS’s “Face the Nation.”

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  • The Dow is up 63% since Obama took office. That ranks 5th among all Presidents up to this point. FDR, Coolidge, Ike, and Clinton only ranked higher. I'm results oriented. This news added to the jobs reports, car industry saved, Bin Laden dead, a LOT of the enemy dead I may rethink not voting for him. I like how things are going. I think any of the Republican nominees would do the same things Bush did which would cause the exact same problem, a collapse. Santorum would cause worldwide armageddon lol But he'll never be President. Never. His last election he lost by 19 points. An incumbent losing by that much is unheard of. I think Santorum is getting a lot of frustration bumps in the polls. When people get in the booths I don't think the results will be as solid as the polls indicate. Just a gut feeling.

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  • DA23_rox said...

    While I can understand your position on the matter, my world view is that all children are a gift from God. Even the "broken" ones. The last thing I want the government to do is tell me if I can procreate or not. There are plenty of people I think should be sterilized. BB4L is one. lol. But no way in Hell, should I be allowed to decide who can and can't and neither should you, JDrumm, John Calipari, or the government.

    All 3 of my children are healthy, thank God. I know it's not an easy road to raise a disabled child, but if I had one, I'd be outraged if someone said he were not worthy of living. Leave the effin gov't out of it.

    I'm not advocating government involvement in saying who can have a child. It's the other side who is getting into procreative rights.

    But just as we can cast some degree of shame and scorn on those who have children out of wedlock or in circumstances where they can't be properly taken care of (and I agree there's a place to do so), it's justified to do the same for people like Santorum who cast aside the rules of biology.

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  • CarlLexington said...

    An incumbent losing by that much is unheard of. I think Santorum is getting a lot of frustration bumps in the polls. When people get in the booths I don't think the results will be as solid as the polls indicate. Just a gut feeling.

    Santorum is being kept afloat by a small percentage of the electorate. He has yet to win, or even be runner up, in an actual primary. He's doing well in caucuses, but that won't necessarily transfer to broader votes.

    Every political expert I've heard agrees that the way for Republicans to win is to make the election about the economy. Santorum takes the race in a direction the Republicans can't succeed at.

    Which Obama states from 2008 can you see Santorum winning? Maybe NC and VA. PA is iffy at best.

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  • dj-ky-cat said...

    Santorum is being kept afloat by a small percentage of the electorate. He has yet to win, or even be runner up, in an actual primary. He's doing well in caucuses, but that won't necessarily transfer to broader votes.

    Every political expert I've heard agrees that the way for Republicans to win is to make the election about the economy. Santorum takes the race in a direction the Republicans can't succeed at.

    Which Obama states from 2008 can you see Santorum winning? Maybe NC and VA. PA is iffy at best.

    With the economy coming back in a huge way they can't really use the economy. They can't use defense either with Bin Laden and many others dead. I'm afraid all that any of them have is in the gutter, ie Obama the socialist, Obama the muslim and so on. They simply can't beat him on any issues so the mudslinging is going to be at an historic level this election no matter who the pubs nominate.

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  • CarlLexington said...

    I may rethink not voting for him.

    Wow. I'm shocked. I honestly don't know what to say. You are the last person I would ever guess who would vote for BHO.

    This post was edited by DA23_rox on 2/22/2012 at 10:27 PM

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  • Speaking of TCP Badges, do you think we'll see "Conservative" and "Liberal" badges? LOL

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  • I like it JJ. For conservatives, we could have depictions of inbred racist rednecks holding onto their guns and their women barefoot and pregnant, and for Liberals, we could have tree-hugging hippies who are flipping off God and mowing over babies to make room for their wind-mill farms.

    This post was edited by DA23_rox on 2/22/2012 at 10:30 PM

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  • DA23_rox said...

    I like it JJ. For conservatives, we could have depictions of inbred racist rednecks holding onto their guns and their women barefoot and pregnant, and for Liberals, we could have tree-hugging hippies who are flipping off God and mowing over babies to make room for their wind-mill farms.

    roflmao

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  • my taxes have not gone down 1 penny under Obama. FACT!

    Gas has gone from roughly $1.80/gallon to an overage of over $3.00 + under Obama and is likely to hit $6 before the elections.
    The value of the dollar has dropped dramatically and is the biggest reason for the increase in gas.

    Obama has increased the cost of everyones heating and electric bills because he has placed unnecessary and outlandish new regulations and requirements on Coal companies.

    The reason why the DOW is doing better now is because the rest of the world is in shambles also and they are looking to invest that money somewhere.

    Unemployment is over 9% when he promised it wouldn't go over 8%. The real unemployment rate when you look at the long term unemployed and those who flat stopped looking is over 18%. Even the CBO stated it was really over 15% currently just a week or two ago.

    Most of the new drilling and thus the reason why we have raised our domestic drilling is from permits that were granted under Bush. Funny how Obama doesn't blame Bush for that but instead takes the credit...

    Another reason why we have managed to improve our reliance on foreign oil is because the economy sucks and we aren't using as much. And despite this gas has remained over $3.00 for the vast majority of his term.

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  • cobbycobb said...

    my taxes have not gone down 1 penny under Obama. FACT!

    Gas has gone from roughly $1.80/gallon to an overage of over $3.00 + under Obama and is likely to hit $6 before the elections. The value of the dollar has dropped dramatically and is the biggest reason for the increase in gas.

    Obama has increased the cost of everyones heating and electric bills because he has placed unnecessary and outlandish new regulations and requirements on Coal companies.

    The reason why the DOW is doing better now is because the rest of the world is in shambles also and they are looking to invest that money somewhere.

    Unemployment is over 9% when he promised it wouldn't go over 8%. The real unemployment rate when you look at the long term unemployed and those who flat stopped looking is over 18%. Even the CBO stated it was really over 15% currently just a week or two ago.

    Most of the new drilling and thus the reason why we have raised our domestic drilling is from permits that were granted under Bush. Funny how Obama doesn't blame Bush for that but instead takes the credit...

    Another reason why we have managed to improve our reliance on foreign oil is because the economy sucks and we aren't using as much. And despite this gas has remained over $3.00 for the vast majority of his term.

    Yeah yeah yeah. Things go bad, blame Obama. Things go good, give him no credit at all. The President has nothing at all to do with gas prices. It's funny how when gas prices skyrocketed under Bush everyone said the President has nothing to do with gas prices, including democrats, and now that Obama is in office suddenly republicans say it's Obama's fault.

    You employment statement is either out of ignorance or a blatant lie. It's at 8.3% and has gone down steadily for quite awhile now. If you don't come with truth you lose all credibility.

    Unemployment in the U.S. - Google Public Data Explorer

    http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=z1ebjpgk2654c1_&met_y=unemployment_rate&idim=country:US&fdim_y=seasonality:S&dl=en&hl=en&q=unemployment rate

    www.google.com
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  • cobbycobb said...

    my taxes have not gone down 1 penny under Obama. FACT!

    Everybody who works got a cut in their social security.

    Get a job, hippie!

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  • Let's play a game. It's called, "Spot The Irony".

    "JUNEAU, Alaska (AP) -- Current and former aides to Sarah Palin lashed out Wednesday at HBO's "Game Change," describing the upcoming film's depictions of her on the 2008 campaign trail as "sick" and inaccurate.

    None of the aides said they have yet seen the movie, which debuts March 10, and some said they had asked for an opportunity to screen the film but had been denied."

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  • dj-ky-cat said...

    Everybody who works got a cut in their social security.

    Get a job, hippie!

    You are both wrong. I have an excellent job and I DO NOT PAY SOCIAL SECURITY!

    Plus, Social Security was originally argued for as a "Social Security Insurance". Only in the last decade has it become known for what it truly is and that's a tax. You libs used "It's an insurance plan" to get it enacted and now claim it for what it is... a tax.

    It's stupid to give this supposed break cause all it's doing is already underfunding a program that is going bankrupt. In the near future they will increase the amount you pay into SS to offset this current 'break' that you all are getting. That and they will cut what they pay out and/or when you can become eligible.

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  • I like this Ron Paul ad.

    Anyone know anything about the Rothschild Banking Family Dynasty?

    Ron Paul ad - running on TV

    Please endorse Ron Paul (http://www.endorseliberty.com/ronpaul) and donate to Endorse Liberty (http://www.endorseliberty.com/donate.php) so we can buy advert...

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    The Rothschild Banking Family Part 1 of 2

    The Rothschild banking family is the most powerful and wealthy family in the world. This video is about how they gained control of the European central banks...

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  • Ron Paul is a conspiracy theorist that wants to go back to the gold standard and let everyone have a nuke. He's a loon.

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  • cobbycobb said...

    I like this Ron Paul ad.

    Anyone know anything about the Rothschild Banking Family Dynasty?

    Well, yeah, a little. I like to read Niall Ferguson's stuff and he's written extensively on their very interesting history. There's a pretty good short version in his book "The Ascent of Money"

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  • cobbycobb said...

    You are both wrong. I have an excellent job and I DO NOT PAY SOCIAL SECURITY!

    Plus, Social Security was originally argued for as a "Social Security Insurance". Only in the last decade has it become known for what it truly is and that's a tax. You libs used "It's an insurance plan" to get it enacted and now claim it for what it is... a tax.

    It's stupid to give this supposed break cause all it's doing is already underfunding a program that is going bankrupt. In the near future they will increase the amount you pay into SS to offset this current 'break' that you all are getting. That and they will cut what they pay out and/or when you can become eligible.

    I'm sorry I called you a hippie. You're obviously an illegal alien.

    And I do apologize that I was unaware that anyone was exempt from FICA. I'm not asking you to tell me--but maybe it's clergy or military--or working on the railroad (I know they had something funky and one time). Regardless, FICA is the biggest single government remittance (I have no problem calling it a tax) that millions of Americans pay. So, to say you didn't get a tax cut because you didn't pay it in the first place is pretty weak. It'd be like me complaining that my assistant got a bigger percentage cut than me, because I don't pay FICA on my income after it hits a certain point.

    Your comment about the stupidity of the tax cut could be applied to every tax cut. Unless we're operating from a budget surplus (something we arguably have not seen in our lifetimes and have very little prospect of seeing in the future), all tax cuts have to be offset with either a reduction in services or an increase in taxes down the road--unless the tax cut has a stimulative effect. I think this particular cut works to that effect, but there's no way to ever know.

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  • How can it be a stimulative effect when there is NOTHING putting money back into the SS fund?

    A regular--and actual--tax cut is able to be offset because it can spur the economy and by increasing sales, services, etc bring in a net gain. By cutting SS funding there is no net gain to be had as it's not enough to cause an increase in hiring or workers hours by itself.

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  • dj-ky-cat said...

    Well, yeah, a little. I like to read Niall Ferguson's stuff and he's written extensively on their very interesting history. There's a pretty good short version in his book "The Ascent of Money"

    I'm interested in learning more about this. I'll have to check out that book.

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  • Boo the Republicans for killing the Casino Gambling bill...grr gun

    Beshear accuses David Williams of sabotage after Senate kills gambling | Politics and Government | Kentucky.com

    The Republican-controlled Senate rejected casino gambling in Kentucky on Thursday, defeating a constitutional amendment that would have allowed voters to decide the issue in November.

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  • cobbycobb said...

    How can it be a stimulative effect when there is NOTHING putting money back into the SS fund?

    A regular--and actual--tax cut is able to be offset because it can spur the economy and by increasing sales, services, etc bring in a net gain. By cutting SS funding there is no net gain to be had as it's not enough to cause an increase in hiring or workers hours by itself.

    That's really the big economic divide, and it really depends on the economy. I think this money is clearly keeping the economy greased. If you cut it off (I.e. Let the rate go back up) that much spending and the multipliers that go with it dry up

    Supply eiders disagree and think it's better to stimulate investment. I don't disagree, but just think there's no practical way to do so in today's environment....low interest rates, cheap labor, low taxes. A reasonable person must assume that what we're missing is demand and the only way govt can impact that is tax cuts to the spenders and actual government spending

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  • dj-ky-cat said...

    . A reasonable person must assume that what we're missing is demand and the only way govt can impact that is tax cuts to the spenders and actual government spending

    The problem is... only the "conservatives" in Congress are willing to do BOTH (cut taxes AND cut govt spending). On top of that, Obama won't even sign a "tax cut" bill, unless it includes more pork and big govt spending. Even so, cutting taxes for the "spenders" won't be enough to boost our economy with "Obama's" current gas prices... we are only boosting the pockets and economy of those countries who despise us. Go figure.

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  • The President has nothing to do with gas prices.

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  • If you haven't seen Stossel's "Illegal Everything" watch it. It's good and shows how over regulation is a major problem.

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    ***MUST SEE*** John Stossel's "Illegal Eve...

    This Stossel special will blow your mind! The government, especially the EPA is out of control as well as local prosecutors trying to make a name for themselves.

    http://www.youtube.com/v/oMhapZrqvdg
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