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  • cobbycobb said...

    If you haven't seen Stossel's "Illegal Everything" watch it. It's good and shows how over regulation is a major problem.

    John Stossel is a biased conservative tool. And this is the only thing Stossel has done that's must see.

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    WRESTLING IS FAKE (watch before commenting)

    20/20 reporter John Stossel gets smacked to the ground when he asks WWF wrestler "Dr. D (death)" David Schultz if wrestling is fake. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Schults On December 28, 1984, Schults' encounter with Stossel happened while Stossel was backstage at Madison Square Garden doing a story about professional wrestling's secrets. During an interview Stossel told Schults that he thought pro wrestling was fake and Schults' response was to slap Stossel twice, knocking him to the floor each time. The attack, which attracted a large amount of media coverage, was later aired on national television (as well as currently appearing on websites such as YouTube and Break.com) including ABC News which reported that the network had received more than 1,000 calls from viewers inquiring about Mr. Stossel's health. Marvin Kohn, a deputy commissioner at the New York State Athletic Commission, had been present at the arena during the incident and immediately suspended Schultz for his actions. Although called by Commissioner Jose Torres to come to a hearing before the Commission, Kohn later reported that Schultz had written letter to the commission admitting "that he had acted improperly and apologized both to the commission and to Mr. Stossel" and further stated "I intend the commission to know that I did not intend to hurt John Stossel. I apologize to the commission and to John Stossel." Stossel later claimed he was unaware of Schultz apology and would pursue his action in court although commented he would be "less likely to sue" if the aftereffects of his injury disappeared. [7] However, Stossel eventually filed a lawsuit against the World Wrestling Federation, and settled out of court for $425,000.[8] Although he has consistently maintained that World Wrestling Federation officials told him to hit Stossel, Schultz was fired. Many industry insiders believe, it was not because of his actions against Stossel, rather, Schults was fired for challenging Mr. T to a fight backstage at a WWF show at Madison Square Garden.

    http://www.youtube.com/v/zrX9Ca7LSyQ
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  • Stossel sued and now campaigns against frivilous lawsuits.

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  • cobbycobb said...

    If you haven't seen Stossel's "Illegal Everything" watch it. It's good and shows how over regulation is a major problem.

    I watched it last night... he's awesome.

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  • CarlLexington said...

    The President has nothing to do with gas prices.

    If you don't think banning in/off shore drilling and extreme regulations have anything to do with gas prices, then you are either in denial, from lala-land, from another planet or just plain nuts.

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  • CarlLexington said...

    The President has nothing to do with gas prices.

    The funny (but sad and hypocritical) thing is... I GUARAN-DAMN-TEE you never made that statement while Bush was POTUS. As a matter of FACT, I bet you made quite the opposite argument.

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  • JawJacker said...

    The funny (but sad and hypocritical) thing is... I GUARAN-DAMN-TEE you never made that statement while Bush was POTUS. As a matter of FACT, I bet you made quite the opposite argument.

    As usual you'd be wrong. Gas prices under Bush were not his fault and the Democratic Party acknowledged that. They didn't make that a campaign issue at all. On every news cast I saw at the time the democrats would always agree that the office of the Presidency has nothing to do with gas prices. Blaming Obama for high gas prices is just a lie the talking heads on the right came up with because they can't beat him on his record and on the issues. They made it up to get the ignorant on the right, and there are many, angry. They are just reinforcing Obama hatred. It's what they do. And conservatives eat it up. Obama has not banned any drilling. In fact drilling has gone up under his administration. What new regulations are you speaking of? The gas hike has to do with Iran using oil as a hostage. Would you propose we just open all the spouts and use up all our reserves to temper gas prices temporarily? If Obama did that you'd accuse Obama of being reckless and irresponsible. Even if we did that it wouldn't drop prices much, if any at all. People like you just hate the man and no matter what he does he's wrong. You blast him for trying to get us off oil and then blame him for high gas prices. This a perfect example why I have started to go more and more to the left these past 10 years. The lies, ignorance, and hypocrisy of the majority in the right is sickening.

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  • Hammering home the point that his administration’s actions are not the cause of rising oil costs, the president boasted that “America is producing more oil today than at any time in the last eight years” and notes that dependence on foreign oil was under 50 percent in 2010, the first time in more than a decade.

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  • That's a blatant lie. The Dems and the heads on TV, newspapers, and national magazines constantly talked about all the troop deaths, high gas prices, and downturn in the economy. You don't hear a peep about troop deaths anymore even though they had spiked under Obama for the majority of his term. I'm not sure what it is now, since he has pulled a bunch of troops home finally hopefully it's down.

    You are only just now hearing about the higher gas prices cause you can't ignore $4 and $5/gallon gas. Obama is touting the higher oil production as if it was because of him. He isn't giving credit to the previous administration. He wants to claim the higher production as his own and blame Bush(who deserves much of the blame) for anything negative.

    I don't hate Obama, I hate his liberal polocies. You here the left say that drill, baby drill won't work but everytime we threaten it the cost of oil comes down. Also, drilling will be far more effective in 5, 10, and even 20 years than the alternative methods that Obama has touted and given BILLIONS of money to failed companies. Solar, electric, wind, algae, etc are all 50+ years away from being effective or viable. Keep kicking that can down the road while more and more oil and gas fields are found every year expanding our drilling capacity and being poo-poohed away while prices continue to spike.

    Also, the speculators are able to make monstrous profits because of the reliance on the radical regimes overseas. Start drilling more today on our own shores and land and the speculators have a more secure and reliable source to rely upon for future oil sales thus bringing down the cost even if only minimally.

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  • cobbycobb said...

    That's a blatant lie. The Dems and the heads on TV, newspapers, and national magazines constantly talked about all the troop deaths, high gas prices, and downturn in the economy. You don't hear a peep about troop deaths anymore even though they had spiked under Obama for the majority of his term. I'm not sure what it is now, since he has pulled a bunch of troops home finally hopefully it's down.

    You are only just now hearing about the higher gas prices cause you can't ignore $4 and $5/gallon gas. Obama is touting the higher oil production as if it was because of him. He isn't giving credit to the previous administration. He wants to claim the higher production as his own and blame Bush(who deserves much of the blame) for anything negative.

    I don't hate Obama, I hate his liberal polocies. You here the left say that drill, baby drill won't work but everytime we threaten it the cost of oil comes down. Also, drilling will be far more effective in 5, 10, and even 20 years than the alternative methods that Obama has touted and given BILLIONS of money to failed companies. Solar, electric, wind, algae, etc are all 50+ years away from being effective or viable. Keep kicking that can down the road while more and more oil and gas fields are found every year expanding our drilling capacity and being poo-poohed away while prices continue to spike.

    Also, the speculators are able to make monstrous profits because of the reliance on the radical regimes overseas. Start drilling more today on our own shores and land and the speculators have a more secure and reliable source to rely upon for future oil sales thus bringing down the cost even if only minimally.

    Someday my grandkids or great grandkids will ask me what in the hell was this generation thinking. I'll show them your post and it will explain everything.

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  • Remove our ridiculous tariffs on imported sugar cane. Let South America send us their abundant and cheap supply of sugar cane ethanol, which is 8x more efficient than corn ethanol and nearly as efficient as gasoline. It would probably run around or under $2. Badda bing. Maybe we'll catch up to Brazil on our energy policy sometime this quarter century.

    Land The Plane

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  • CarlLexington said...

    Someday my grandkids or great grandkids will ask me what in the hell was this generation thinking. I'll show them your post and it will explain everything.

    Of course, they'll be asking you in Chinese.

    DA23_rox

  • cobbycobb said...

    I don't hate Obama, I hate his liberal polocies. You here the left say that drill, baby drill won't work but everytime we threaten it the cost of oil comes down. Also, drilling will be far more effective in 5, 10, and even 20 years than the alternative methods that Obama has touted and given BILLIONS of money to failed companies. Solar, electric, wind, algae, etc are all 50+ years away from being effective or viable. Keep kicking that can down the road while more and more oil and gas fields are found every year expanding our drilling capacity and being poo-poohed away while prices continue to spike.

    Also, the speculators are able to make monstrous profits because of the reliance on the radical regimes overseas. Start drilling more today on our own shores and land and the speculators have a more secure and reliable source to rely upon for future oil sales thus bringing down the cost even if only minimally.

    We're not finding much new oil--the oil companies are just going after what's harder to get to because the price of oil is so much higher. We wouldn't be talking about tar sands or deepwater if we were at $50 a barrel. Proven oil is in decline and, even if it weren't, demand from Asia is going to far outstrip production anyway.

    Solar, wind, and biomass--and throw in hydrogen--are a ways from viability for sure, but the point at which their cost, which continues to decline, intersects with oil, which will continue to rise, will be sooner than 50 years--probably 15-20.

    And the idea that there's our oil and somebody else's oil is very un-Republican of you. Any oil we produce in this country will be sold to whoever will pay the most. It could be China or India or whoever. The idea that we can produce enough to cause a glut on the market where all prices come down is a pipedream--and again, it has more to do with demand that it does production.

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  • DA23_rox said...

    Of course, they'll be asking you in Chinese.

    Or Spanish. I hope they're multilingual. Learning other cultures and knowing America isn't the only country in the world is a great thing.

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  • dj-ky-cat said...

    We're not finding much new oil--the oil companies are just going after what's harder to get to because the price of oil is so much higher. We wouldn't be talking about tar sands or deepwater if we were at $50 a barrel. Proven oil is in decline and, even if it weren't, demand from Asia is going to far outstrip production anyway.

    Solar, wind, and biomass--and throw in hydrogen--are a ways from viability for sure, but the point at which their cost, which continues to decline, intersects with oil, which will continue to rise, will be sooner than 50 years--probably 15-20.

    And the idea that there's our oil and somebody else's oil is very un-Republican of you. Any oil we produce in this country will be sold to whoever will pay the most. It could be China or India or whoever. The idea that we can produce enough to cause a glut on the market where all prices come down is a pipedream--and again, it has more to do with demand that it does production.

    I'm gonna agree with you on this. I'm not sure why some people are so against alternative fuel sources. Of course it's probably the all or nothing attitudes of people on both sides. I think we should invest in research. Just not like we invested in Syndra or whatever it's called.

    DA23_rox

  • DA23_rox said...

    I'm gonna agree with you on this. I'm not sure why some people are so against alternative fuel sources. Of course it's probably the all or nothing attitudes of people on both sides. I think we should invest in research. Just not like we invested in Syndra or whatever it's called.

    Great post. I'll tell you why the right is against it. It undercuts big oil and big oil has a huge lobby filling pockets of both sides. Mostly the right but to a far lesser degree even some of the left get that money too.

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  • I was speaking more about people like you and me. I know how Washington works. I like Rush Limbaugh, but I get frustrated to no end when he gets all anti-environment just solely to be anti-the other side. I don't know if he really believes all that crap he says, or if he's just trying to drive your ilk nuts. But I think he does us a disservice. Nothing wrong with being good stewards of our environment, provided it doesn't become our god, which seems to be the case with many liberals.

    DA23_rox

  • DA23_rox said...

    I was speaking more about people like you and me. I know how Washington works. I like Rush Limbaugh, but I get frustrated to no end when he gets all anti-environment just solely to be anti-the other side. I don't know if he really believes all that crap he says, or if he's just trying to drive your ilk nuts. But I think he does us a disservice. Nothing wrong with being good stewards of our environment, provided it doesn't become our god, which seems to be the case with many liberals.

    It's just his job to incite the right and put down anything from the left. If the left claimed the sky is up he'd say the left is wrong and that it is down. Whether he likes it or not we're going green. Or at least greener. We have to. In my eyes it's a matter of national security, not just a matter of common sense. In a lot of places there is so much poison in the fish they advise you not to eat them or only eat a certain amount. Bill O'Reilly agrees with you. I've seen him say he doesn't understand people on his side being so anti-environment. He said he wants to leave a cleaner healthier world to his kids and grandkids. He said that his side is always exclaiming how global warming is a lie. He said even if it is a lie, so? I agree with him.

    The right hates it because they are the big business party. Let's be honest. They represent the interests of big business. Responsible waste disposal and forcing them to do business in an environmentally responsible manner costs them more money. And that's the bottom line, money. These big oil companies and pollutors don't give one crap about what they leave behind. They only care about profit and getting the biggest profit they can. On the surface there's nothing wrong with that. But when it affects us all someone has to put a stop to it.

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  • DA23_rox said...

    Of course, they'll be asking you in Chinese.

    roflmao

    +1 DA! thumbsup

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  • CarlLexington said...

    Bill O'Reilly agrees with you. I've seen him say he doesn't understand people on his side being so anti-environment. He said he wants to leave a cleaner healthier world to his kids and grandkids. He said that his side is always exclaiming how global warming is a lie. He said even if it is a lie, so? I agree with him.

    Well, crap. Now I have to change my position.

    DA23_rox

  • I think it's a great idea to continue researching (and striving for) more energy efficient and cleaner fuel... but you don't shut down or cut off your own fuel supply (and "F" the rest of us at the pump) 25 years before anything better is vastly produced, cheaper and easily accessible... just to appease the extreme, hug a tree, save a whale, environmentalist wacko's on the left, who "FUEL" your campaign account... THAT's "F"ing BULL*edit* POOP!!!

    That's like getting rid of your car, just because you don't want it anymore... LONG before you have the means to replace it with the car you prefer. Now, your dumbass is gonna whine, bitch and moan when you realize "HOLY SH!T... I REALLY SCREWED MYSELF... NOW I HAVE TO WALK EVERYWHERE... OR CATCH A GAS GUZZLING BUS" .... "I"M SUCH A DAMN IDIOT!!!"

    Whew... SMCH

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  • We are finding new oil deposits. It doesn't matter if it's shale, deep oil or old wells regenerating. We have more oil in the us areas than we ever thought we did.

    IM NOT A REPUBLICAN NOR DEMOCRAT!

    I also never suggested keeping the oil to ourselves. Reread what I posted. I was stating that the speculators would not be so whimsical because they'd have a more secure and reliable source to purchase oil from. You do know what role a speculator has right?

    I'm not against alternative fuels. I'm for all the above! I'm not for wasting resources or money. I think it's stupid to not continue drilling or finding new ways of getting oil, gas, and energy period.

    It's also stupid to throw money at failing companies simply because their lobbyist and owners are giving money to your campaign.

    This post was edited by cobbycobb on 2/27/2012 at 9:12 PM

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  • JawJacker said...

    I think it's a great idea to continue researching (and striving for) more energy efficient and cleaner fuel... but you don't shut down or cut off your own fuel supply (and "F" the rest of us at the pump) 25 years before anything better is vastly produced, cheaper and easily accessible... just to appease the extreme, hug a tree, save a whale, environmentalist wacko's on the left, who "FUEL" your campaign account... THAT's "F"ing BULL*edit* POOP!!!

    That's like getting rid of your car, just because you don't want it anymore... LONG before you have the means to replace it with the car you prefer. Now, your dumbass is gonna whine, bitch and moan when you realize "HOLY SH!T... I REALLY SCREWED MYSELF... NOW I HAVE TO WALK EVERYWHERE... OR CATCH A GAS GUZZLING BUS" .... "I"M SUCH A DAMN IDIOT!!!"

    Whew... SMCH

    Well your whole premise is off. No one is shutting down our supply. We're exploring more and using more of our own oil now than ever before. In fact, the tree hugging loonies you are talking about are mad at Obama about it. I don't even know how to take that 2nd paragraph. I guess I'd just say more people walking would help out on a lot of fronts. That's the kind thing to say I think.

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  • CarlLexington said...

    Well your whole premise is off. No one is shutting down our supply. We're exploring more and using more of our own oil now than ever before. In fact, the tree hugging loonies you are talking about are mad at Obama about it. I don't even know how to take that 2nd paragraph. I guess I'd just say more people walking would help out on a lot of fronts. That's the kind thing to say I think.

    I hate to break the news to you my friend, but you are just dead wrong about oil and gas production being "UP" under Obama... you are listening to the wrong people and being mislead.

    Party affiliation aside, let's just look at the facts:

    Under Obama, Federal Oil and Gas Production Is Down 40%

    President Obama boasted that under his administration, “domestic oil and natural gas production is up.” Obama, however, can’t actually take any credit for the increase.

    blog.heritage.org
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  • Serious question:

    Why is it that "SOME" people are AGAINST the killing of "guilty" murderers... but at the same time, are ALL FOR the killing of "innocent" unborn children?

    I've always had a hard time wrapping my head around that one... it just boggles the mind.

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  • JawJacker said...

    I hate to break the news to you my friend, but you are just dead wrong about oil and gas production being "UP" under Obama... you are listening to the wrong people and being mislead.

    Party affiliation aside, let's just look at the facts:

    It's funny you tell me I'm listening to the wrong people and being mislead when I'm looking at real sources and you're using right wing nut blogs.

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