The Paddock

I'm glad you feel that way. I really am. I hope all the conservatives feel that way. Barely? 2.6 million as it stands now. The electoral was a landslide. The Senate shocked everyone with the dems picking up so many seats. In your opinion it's a horrible agenda. In mine and many others it isn't. It's the right track. And all economic indicators bare out the fact that we are going in the right direction. If the economy crashes it'll be because the republicans in the house are continuing to obstruct. With Obama in the white house and the senate and the repugs having to make some sort of deal and compromise to hold their own seats in a couple years things are only going to improve. If you, meaning republicans, continue to put lunatics up against normal dems you're going to continue to lose. Talented youngsters? The Castros? Cuomo? Hillary? Biden? Rubio will never win the big chair. Jeb? People are Bush'd out. Boss Hogg Christie? Not a chance. He's Ron Paul of the new generation. People will claim they love him. When it comes time to vote no way someone with his girth, lack of discipline, and temperment wins the big one. Jindal? That's just funny. Ryan? Romney all but buried him the last couple of weeks because of his extreme budget that is immoral at best. Downright evil in reality. Good luck if that's who you're going to run. Bring on 2016. Bring on 2014 and I hope the repugs take your advice and don't change a thing.

Yeah. I don't expect you to get that. Nothing u have ever said on here tells me you would understand. That's cool.

We were founded as a Christian nation. We were a Christian nation for a long time. We are pretty far removed from that at this point. Civilizations rise and fall. It won't be a shock to me when we fall soon. It was a good run.

A lot of what has been taught in the school books re: how and/or why our nation was founded is not true. Most of what is in textbooks amounts to glorified stories. You are right that the PIlgrims were separatists and wanted to be able to create churches separate and apart from the Church of England, which was in and of itself the de facto government at the time; however, I hope you aren't using that to suggest that they (the Pilgrims who established the first colony here) or the founders after them didn't found this country on Christian beliefs and principles. If that is what you or anyone else is suggesting, that is not true. Take a look at the Mayflower Compact, the Charter of the Virginia Colony, the Charter of Massachusetts and countless other documents from the time. Make no mistake about it....while they initially came here to get away from the Church of England's ruling with an iron fist, they did not come here as atheists or non-Christians, and the documents make it pretty darn clear what their intentions and beliefs were.

As for violent crime going down over the last decade, that has nothing to do with the fact that we have more people labeling themselves as atheists or because we have become more accepting to things like same-sex relationships, drugs, etc. You can primarily thank the decline in gang violence that was so rampid in the 1990's. That has created a HUGE decline in the violent crimes statistics.

No. Not this one. After listening to your sides lunacy for a year. After having to listen to cobby, jj, twit, DA, you, and others spew lie after lie about Obama and bash anything he says and does I'm spiking the ball. I haven't used any hyperbole in this thread. You and anyone on your side talking about class and being uneducated is pretty funny.

I get it perfectly well. You're a religious nut.

Carl, I disagree on Jefferson. He was a very spiritual man and nothing like an atheist. He didn't really rewrite the Bible--he just went through the gospels and cut out all the supernatural stuff to where all that was left were the teachings of Jesus. That's in line with contemporary, and current, religious thought to the extent that we don't believe in current day miracles. Some of us believe they occurred in Jesus's day, other's don't. Jefferson was just saying it was a crutch and that there's plenty of reason to be a Christian without the miraculous stuff.

But I agree on your other point--I suspect you and me and a couple others are the only ones on this board to say they've voted for a Christian in every presidential election (although I did vote for a Jew on the undercard back in 2000)

I have debated several times without the vitriol. I remember one time in particular you asked me to stop and I did and continued debating without the name throwing. You basically bailed on the discussion. As for this thread it isn't a debate. It's meant to spike the ball. It's pretty odd you calling me out on this when someone on your side a few posts back is talking about signs of the end of the world because of Obama!!! The people I call evil are evil. Not all republicans are. Some are ignorant victims. Some were indoctrinated very young and just don't know better. Many and more know exactly what's going on and approve. They are bad people. Evil as a serial killing child molester? Most likely not. But terrible people with no compassion or heart? Most definitely.

Oh and stop pretending like it's one sided. I'm one. There are several on your side that are even worse than me and that doesn't seem to bother you any. And like I said before this thread is more than usual because I am admittedly spiking the ball in response to all the BULLSHIT I've endured here this past year by the mental midgets on your side here. You aren't to blame. You rarely talk the complete horse crap others on your side do. So on behalf of those responsible I apologize for them. Without their complete crap this past year this thread would be very different.

Carl you're not alone, if I had a vote it would have been for Barack. I just hate debating politics, living in Europe you realise you're making a choice for the lesser asshat in any election! We've just been around longer and had more time to grow apathetic ;)

You are the exact problem with your party. I want you believing what you believe and I want you screaming over any and all calls of compromise and common sense. Your first statement isn't true at all. He won by 3 million votes and counting. He didn;t destroy Romney. He told the truth about Romney. Obama's record was a good one. Hence the lopsided victory. You and your ilk crying and whining about mean old Obama destroying mitt's reputation make me laugh. Coming from the people of the birthers, the welfare to work lie that was blasted out of the water, the chrysler moving to china lie etc. The billions spent by rove, the cock brothers, and other superpacs doing nothing but tearing down their democratic opponents, including Obama, and you have the balls to cry about Obama beating up poor lil willard? Dude just stfu with that horse crap.

You keep on believing the left are as bad as the right. Please do. I hope the people in your party that make the decisions have the same thoughts. I hope they ignore their own shortcomings and instead point and cry about the other side doing the same thing they are doing. It's not true but maybe someone will believe them if they do. "Cunter"? Really? Are you 12? Sexist idiot. Sununu!!!???? Are you serious? The old racist that said Powell gave his endorsement to Obama because he was black!!? rotfl Man you are exactly why the repugs tanked and will continue to tank. I hope the guys like you keep swinging. Sununu hahaha Pop the bubble. Get some air. Come back to reality. You are welcome.

They didn;t masterfully make Romney toxic to lower and middle income voters. He IS toxic to them. You dumb bastard. You act like democrats don't work. We're all just living in poverty off the government. You have no sense of reality or decency. You're entire worldview is why you lost and you're just too stupid and filled with hate to see it. You're still crying about 47% being moochers and don't even realize that that kind of thinking is why you lost and will continue to lose.

That second paragraph is just ass backwards. The conservatives are the ones constantly doing the bullying. Even when they are in the minority they bully. Carville, Begala, and Axelrod bullies? You can't be serious. Are you seriously that far from reality and how things really are?

After getting your asses handed to you you still don't get it. Some in your party get it. You and your ilk don't. The extreme right Limbaugh wing. I hope you guys continue running the show. Here is some reality. Your America is over. You lost. Not just this one election. I'm talking bigger than just an election. You have lost what you want America to be. America has grown up and went past you. You lost as the bad guys always lose in these things. Like the slaveholders lost. Like the jim crow south lost. Like the opposition of women voting lost. This is no longer an America run by and for old white guys. This is an America that is inclusive of people of all colors, religion, and sexuality. An America that cares about the poor and the sick and the old. We are finally starting to live up to the standards we've preached and never practiced as a country. It is never going back to how you want it to be. It's just not. It's that simple. So either get on board or gtfo of the way. It's a great time to be an American.

Not just you. Everyone like you. You aren't irrelevant. But close to it. You aren't the only person in America that has served in the military. Republicans aren't the only ones that have fought for America. Conservatives aren't the only ones that have fought for their country. It's funny you're pulling the military card when Dubya dodged, Cheney dodged, Romney never served, and so on. It's also funny you pull it when your side is responsible thousands of our troops needlessly dying. Obama has done more for the military in 4 years than Dubya came close to in 8. You have no decency. You're a bigot idealogue that bases your entire worldview on what Limbaugh tells you. You haven't provided me with anything but a lot of extreme right wing propaganda for me to smack around and make fun of. For that I thank you. If you only looked at ability and content of character you wouldn't have voted for Dubya over a war hero or Romney over Obama. I'm not living in a liberal fantasy land. Did you not witness the election? Again, you don't understand reality. I'm not insinuating you don't get it. I am flat out stating you don't get it. If it was feasible I'd rent a plane and have it fly over the state with huge letters "UKAVEMAN DOESN'T GET IT" flowing behind it.