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  • dj-ky-cat said...

    I'm not either. But even though I'm whiter than a nun's belly, I realize I have a lot more, personally, in common with Obama than I do with somebody like Mitt. Due to his wealth, he lives in a completely different world from me and from anybody I've ever known.

    Do you always vote for the candidate in which you have the most personally in common with?

    tWhit

  • hoptownukfan said...

    Poor Catcard... What a troll.

    Hop,

    Glad that you have so much to add to the discussion, it's everything I have come to expect from your posts.

    catcard202

  • tWhit said...

    Do you always vote for the candidate in which you have the most personally in common with?

    I think it can be difficult to vote for a candidate with whom you can find no personal common ground. I had that problem, to some degree, with Kerry and Dukakis. I think it's Been one of Mitt's problems in making his case to the average voter, but its also a problem for Obama

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  • catcard202 said...

    PLEASE explain how Romney trumps Obama on those 3 subjects.

    Q: How any of you have lost your guns because of Obama?? I surely haven't...And as far as I can see...No one I know has had the Obama Admin take theirs, either.

    Q: How many of you have chosen to have an abortion due to Obama or any DEM for that matter??? That law hasn't made any woman I know have one. And it being on the books doesn't affect me in the least.

    JFYI, Romney isn't going to get it off the books. just isn't going to happen...no matter how much the TeaParty wants to think he will. And I also have a hard time thinking that one must force a woman to have a child that she doesn't want.. *( I fully understand the moral implications of it being a SIN...But it is not my sin to judge - It's the lords! Each will be judged for their sins before entering the kingdom of heaven!)

    Q: How is our relationship w/ Israel any different today, than it was in 2008? We still support them, as we have always done. An attack on Israel is still going to be considered an attack on us...Nothing has changed there.

    So...Those 3 topics being as they are...And Romney being the flip-flopping guy he has shown himself to be...How can you trust that you know who he really is & what he really thinks & what he really stands for???

    Wasn't saying that's the answer for me. Fortunately I won't be voting for Romney.

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    Nate87

  • stillDA23 said...

    But protecting the lives of these babies is a real issue to me.

    They aren't babies. They are microscropic goo. Does outlawing contraception solve this? Personhood? The conservatives are radical. They should stay out of a person's bedroom.

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    CarlLexington

  • Advocate for the life of a termite but not an unborn child. Humans are disgusting.

    tWhit

  • tWhit said...

    Advocate for the life of a termite but not an unborn child. Humans are disgusting.

    Good point tWhit. Carl is just a worthless piece of shit. I don't care what he says about anything anymore. Fuq him

    stillDA23

  • CarlLexington said...

    They aren't babies. They are microscropic goo. Does outlawing contraception solve this? Personhood? The conservatives are radical. They should stay out of a person's bedroom.

    JFYI, They are babies...And only sometimes are they taken early enough to be microscopic.

    That's a main sticking point in why there's so many differing opinions on this subject matter. And thus why it is used as a divisive tool by both parties.

    IMO, I think there is area for common ground btwn MOST rational thinkers...But fact is, some people are so far to the religious right, that there is no ground to gain. And in this Post TeaParty takeover of the REP party..They are becoming more & more the norm for that side. And by the looks of things...Both Romney & Ryan seem to support that doctrine, as well. (As do numerous REP candidates that are running currently through out the nation!)

    WTS, Those political forces that are forcing their strict theological doctrine into the legislative mix is just not acceptable. Not in America. Not in the melting pot of civilization. We have way too many cultures & religious backgrounds to allow for 1 to dictate to the others. A Christian form of Sharia Law is not acceptable.

    This post was edited by catcard202 on 10/25/2012 at 6:25 PM

    catcard202

  • Well, I was going to post a tangent but my phone screwed that up.

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    Nate87

  • Well that sucks cause I like tangents.

    tWhit

  • tWhit said...

    Advocate for the life of a termite but not an unborn child. Humans are disgusting.

    That's such horseshit. It's not murder. It's a grown adult human being deciding for whatever reason to terminate HER pregnancy. You and your christian idiots have no right to impose your religion on others. When your side says no abortion even in cases of rape and incest I say you're all pieces of shit. It's her cross to bear, not yours. Not the government. It's amazing how these conservatives want the government out of every aspect of life other than the bedroom. Nazis.

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    CarlLexington

  • CarlLexington said...

    That's such horseshit. It's not murder. It's a grown adult human being deciding for whatever reason to terminate HER pregnancy. You and your christian idiots have no right to impose your religion on others. When your side says no abortion even in cases of rape and incest I say you're all pieces of shit. It's her cross to bear, not yours. Not the government. It's amazing how these conservatives want the government out of every aspect of life other than the bedroom. Nazis.

    Adoption?

    tWhit

  • Like adoption services or orphanages are a realistic option for everyone???

    In many cases, adoption is not an option. And Orphanages all across this land are on a serious decline, and have been for the last 40+yrs since Roe v Wade...However, the ones that remain are chalked full of kids no one seems to want. 1000's of kids are waiting for a family to want them...Many will spend their entire childhood there.

    Secondly, isn't the Department for Children & Families one of many social services that the REP party has cut funding to, on numerous occasions??? (100's of millions have been cut from their budget alone - not to mention the billions cut across the board for a slew social services for the poor & needy.)

    Are you now saying that the REP party would fully fund those services and then some...Because make no mistake, the need for those social services would drastically increase if Roe v. Wade was struck down. Drastically!

    If that's not the case...Then it's just another example of what the DEM's have been saying for yrs about the far right...That they only care about these infants/mothers from conception to birth!! After that, They are on their own.

    This post was edited by catcard202 on 10/26/2012 at 7:13 AM

    catcard202

  • Catcard, I'm really having a difficult time believing you have ever been a Republican. Please tell me when this was and for what reason.

    stillDA23

  • DA,
    I was raised in a very REP - god fearing household...(The grandson of a minister & son of a black-sheep.) But it's true that my views have ebbed & flowed for yrs. I'm now at a point in my life that I feel like I'm really stuck btwn the 2 extremes / 2 parties. I'm either a Liberal-REP or Conservative-Dem. Not sure which is which...(Socially Liberal - Fiscally Conservative. - for the most part)

    And also I'm just realistic about where we are today...

    If one tries looking at both sides of the equation...You find out that the complexity of this subject matter goes way beyond the act of aborting a child. Most of the issues that divide us are that way...Very-Complex below the surface.

    There's no easy fix...And sometimes the best intentions have very damning consequences.

    This post was edited by catcard202 on 10/26/2012 at 12:05 PM

    catcard202

  • The fact that you guys are focusing on abortion is hilarious. The undecided voter is not worried about Abortion, gay marriage etc...

    hoptownukfan

  • CarlLexington said...

    That's such horseshit. It's not murder. It's a grown adult human being deciding for whatever reason to terminate HER pregnancy. You and your christian idiots have no right to impose your religion on others. When your side says no abortion even in cases of rape and incest I say you're all pieces of shit. It's her cross to bear, not yours. Not the government. It's amazing how these conservatives want the government out of every aspect of life other than the bedroom. Nazis.

    who said anything about religion? I havent seen it mentioned except by you. It is about right and wrong, you are right in that it is the womans decision, but that does not make it right. Ahh...the name calling puts you right at the top of your game spuing hate, intolerance and ignorance. Better go check that leftie handbook and see what you are to say next.peace

    stonewall011

  • hoptownukfan said...

    The fact that you guys are focusing on abortion is hilarious. The undecided voter is not worried about Abortion, gay marriage etc...

    hoptown,
    Once again, you've brought nothing to the table.

    And JFYI, I am not concerned about the undecided voter...If you do not know who's your guy by now...Your probably really not that concerned w/ voting.

    I'm interested in having a conversation on relevant issues....And Abortion is a very hot button topic right now among the parties. 9have you watched the news in the last several days???)...So, DA & I are discussing abortion..That is all.

    This post was edited by catcard202 on 10/26/2012 at 12:06 PM

    catcard202

  • tWhit said...

    Adoption?

    That's fine if that's her choice. It's not yours to make.

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    CarlLexington

  • stonewall011 said...

    who said anything about religion? I havent seen it mentioned except by you. It is about right and wrong, you are right in that it is the womans decision, but that does not make it right. Ahh...the name calling puts you right at the top of your game spuing hate, intolerance and ignorance. Better go check that leftie handbook and see what you are to say next.peace

    It's all about religion. It's relevant to the discussion. It's hard not to hate the repugs today.

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    CarlLexington

  • hoptownukfan said...

    The fact that you guys are focusing on abortion is hilarious. The undecided voter is not worried about Abortion, gay marriage etc...

    Glad to know that you and you alone hold the pulse of the undecided voter. I think you're the guy that has that pulse though. If a voter is undecided at this point they are an uninformed low info moron. So yes, you know those voters well. And you're wrong. Choice is an issue people care about. When you have a pres candidate saying roe v wade should be overturned it matters. When your guys candidate wants to defund planned parenthood women notice. When your guys want to let an employer make healthcare decisions women and men notice. When your guys want to criminilize contraception people notice. You repugs are waging an all out assault on women.

    I know one registered republican that has already cast her vote in early voting. Without any input from me my mom said she voted for Obama. I was shocked. And proud. Healthcare, the repug assault on women, and "things are slowly getting better in the economy. He deserves more time to see it through" were her reasons. There are many moderate repugs that feel the same.

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    CarlLexington

  • catcard202 said...

    How can any Normal - Middle Class - American, support a man that has made is fortunes off "Vulture Capitalism"???

    Easy... I'd rather vote for a man who makes questionable investments with "HIS OWN" money (to pad his pockets), than vote for a man who makes questionable investments with "MY" money (to pad his pockets).

    Only a Conservative would understand. coffee

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by JawJacker on 10/26/2012 at 2:23 PM

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    JawJacker

  • JawJacker said...

    Easy... I'd rather vote for a man who makes questionable investments with "HIS OWN" money (to pad his pockets), than vote for a man who makes questionable investments with "MY" money (to pad his pockets).

    Only a Conservative would understand. coffee

    Jaw...Romney didn't make questionable investments...He destroyed American companies & shipped jobs "off-shore". While "harvesting profits" & devastating the American families that were left in his wake. (And his company is still doing it to this day!)

    So, if investing in America is questionable...I'll ride w/ Obama all the way to the Re-Election Party!

    catcard202

  • catcard202 said...

    Jaw...Romney didn't make questionable investments...He destroyed American companies & shipped jobs "off-shore". While "harvesting profits" & devastating the American families that were left in his wake. (And his company is still doing it to this day!)

    So, if investing in America is questionable...I'll ride w/ Obama all the way to the Re-Election Party!

    We will have to agree to disagree.

    As imperfect as Mitt may be... he's still a helluva lot better than 4 more years of Barry.

    My vote will be based on Obama's record and what I think about his policies... it's as simple as that. (Carl says that makes me a racist) lol

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    JawJacker

  • The record I have focused on is the record # of filibusters used by the REP party during Obama's time in office. There is no doubt that the Obama Admin could have done much much more to stabilize the economy & the country had the REP not made making Obama a 1 term President their top priority, at the expense of the countries well being!

    catcard202