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  • Okay, let me see if I have this straight:

    Carl => Democrat

    Jaw ==> Republican.

    Do I have that right, yet?

    Keep Calm & Stoops On..

    _Mike_

  • _Mike_ said...

    Okay, let me see if I have this straight:

    Carl => Democrat

    Jaw ==> Republican.

    Do I have that right, yet?

    No

    Carl = Liberal (Democrat)

    Jaw = Conservative (Libertarian)

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    JawJacker

  • JawJacker said...

    No

    Carl = Liberal (Democrat)

    Jaw = Conservative (Libertarian)

    Whoops. Thanks thumbsup

    Keep Calm & Stoops On..

    _Mike_

  • _Mike_ said...

    Whoops. Thanks thumbsup

    You wasn't far off... MOST Conservatives are Republicans by choice. I just disagree with the far right on some social issues, so my views classify me more as a Libertarian.

    As far a your labeling of Carl as a Democrat... you are correct, but "Liberal" best describes his views (according to what we see in his posts). With that said however, remember this... all Liberals are Democrats, but not all Democrats are Liberals. Many "close to center" Democrats are conservative voters.

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    JawJacker

  • catcard202 said...

    No...No I wasn't a libertarian..I'm still a registered REP, as I have always been. And just as I have previously stated...the REP party I belonged to, has been over run by people so far to the Religious Right & By Tea Party REP... That my views are now seen as being squarely on the Liberal side of those rigid ideologues.

    It's just fun messing w/ those ill-prepared & uniformed lost souls.

    This is what you said:

    "DA,
    I was raised in a very REP - god fearing household...(The grandson of a minister & son of a black-sheep.) But it's true that my views have ebbed & flowed for yrs. I'm now at a point in my life that I feel like I'm really stuck btwn the 2 extremes / 2 parties. I'm either a Liberal-REP or Conservative-Dem. Not sure which is which...(Socially Liberal - Fiscally Conservative. - for the most part) "

    That last part about socail liberal, fiscal conservative... That's libertarian. Maybe you just didn't know you were a libertarian, but now apparently you love social programs and spending the country into oblivion.

    stillDA23

  • JawJacker said...

    You wasn't far off... MOST Conservatives are Republicans by choice. I just disagree with the far right on some social issues, so my views classify me more as a Libertarian.

    Let me make things clear about that comment... being a Christian, I'm pro-life and think marriage is a sacred tradition that should be between one man and one woman (as God intended), but I disagree with the far religious right who wish to mandate their beliefs on others. I'm against the federal government enforcing any laws that support my social beliefs. As well, I'm against the federal government enforcing any laws that support the opposite... those issues should be left up to the states and their people (as the Constitution stipulates). In addition... as horrible as doing drugs or prostitution (for example) may be, I'm against any law telling grownup, consenting adults what they can or cannot do "to or with" their own bodies. As long as those decisions don't directly victimize another person or trample on any others rights or freedoms, then do what you "will" (live and let live). Besides, in the end, God will be the final judge whom we all will have to answer to for our choices... we don't need a segment of our society or any government deciding whose beliefs are right or wrong (and then, forcing laws down our throats).

    I can live with what the people of my state vote for (whether I agree or not), because following the Constitution outweighs anyone's personal beliefs... but I cannot stand the thought of big government interfering with our private lives, our states and individual rights or our personal liberties. I believe in "Power of the People" (a government of the people, by the people and for the people)... not a big nanny state or an almighty, overpowering federal government who wants to dictate how people live, ignore the Constitution, pick winners and losers... or pick and choose which liberties they wish to honor and respect.

    That's why I'm a Conservative Libertarian.

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  • So JJ, would you be in favor of an overturn of Roe v. Wade? As far as gay marriage goes, I'm sure you're probably in the same camp as I am in that if a state wants to pass a defense of marriage act, they should be able to do so, and if a state wants to honor gay marriage, let them. But then it gets dicey as to the states with DOMA, have to recognize the gay marriage. If they could get that figured out, that would be good.

    People like to frame abortion as an act that a woman does to her own body. That's complete fukin bullshit if you ask me. Any doctor will tell you that a fetus is a complete different body. It's not a tumor. We legislate morality all the time. You know, how murder and stealing is wrong? Anyway, I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind on the internet, so I'll leave the issue alone, I guess. Just know that it means a million times more to me than if I have money in my pocket or not.

    stillDA23

  • stillDA23 said...

    So JJ, would you be in favor of an overturn of Roe v. Wade? As far as gay marriage goes, I'm sure you're probably in the same camp as I am in that if a state wants to pass a defense of marriage act, they should be able to do so, and if a state wants to honor gay marriage, let them. But then it gets dicey as to the states with DOMA, have to recognize the gay marriage. If they could get that figured out, that would be good.

    People like to frame abortion as an act that a woman does to her own body. That's complete fukin bullshit if you ask me. Any doctor will tell you that a fetus is a complete different body. It's not a tumor. We legislate morality all the time. You know, how murder and stealing is wrong? Anyway, I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind on the internet, so I'll leave the issue alone, I guess. Just know that it means a million times more to me than if I have money in my pocket or not.

    I completely understand... I'm totally against abortion, but again, what a woman and her doctor agree to concerning her own body is something the two of them will have to answer for on their day of judgement. Having said that... late term abortion is flat out cold blooded murder and should be totally illegal. Any woman or doctor who performs such an act that late in a pregnancy, should go straight to prison. Either way... it's not right for me to ask for laws that support my beliefs, while at the same time, be totally against any laws that support what I DO NOT believe in. Sometimes, you just have to tolerate the nonsense of others... and let God sort it all out. After all, we don't need a law in place to signify what's in our hearts... and it's what lies in our hearts from where we will be judged... not from the laws that are on our books.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by JawJacker on 10/29/2012 at 1:42 PM

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  • I'm also against late term abortions unless the health of the mother is threatened. The mother's life takes precedence 100% of the time. By late term I mean the 3rd trimester. You figure anyone that's pregnant will know in the first 3 months. That gives her 3 months minimum to make her choice. If she can't make her choice in 3 months too bad, she's stuck with it.

    Oh and for the record I'm against abortion personally. But I'm not a woman and that's her choice. Not mine.

    This post was edited by CarlLexington on 10/29/2012 at 10:31 PM

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  • CarlLexington said...

    I'm also against late term abortions unless the health of the mother is threatened. The mother's life takes precedence 100% of the time. By late term I mean the 3rd trimester. You figure anyone that's pregnant will know in the first 3 months. That gives her 3 months minimum to make her choice. If she can't make her choice in 3 months too bad, she's stuck with it.

    Oh and for the record I'm against abortion personally. But I'm not a woman and that's her choice. Not mine.

    HOLY SMOKES!!! Carl and I agree on something else! cheers

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  • CarlLexington said...

    Oh and for the record I'm against abortion personally. But I'm not a woman and that's her choice. Not mine.

    This whole time I thought you were a woman. Damn! Newsflash. lol.

    tWhit

  • stillDA23 said...

    This is what you said:

    "DA, I was raised in a very REP - god fearing household...(The grandson of a minister & son of a black-sheep.) But it's true that my views have ebbed & flowed for yrs. I'm now at a point in my life that I feel like I'm really stuck btwn the 2 extremes / 2 parties. I'm either a Liberal-REP or Conservative-Dem. Not sure which is which...(Socially Liberal - Fiscally Conservative. - for the most part) "

    That last part about socail liberal, fiscal conservative... That's libertarian. Maybe you just didn't know you were a libertarian, but now apparently you love social programs and spending the country into oblivion.

    See..I do not agree w/ most libertarians either...So, don't label me one. My views are not limited to a party line.

    No, I do not love spending the country into oblivion...But I surely will not blame this Pres for spending what he has, considering that the last REP admin spent our $$$ like drunk Korean businessmen in a Vegas strip club. (just a total disregard of the cost or the consequences). While placing 2 wars on our credit card & giving the top1% the largest tax cut I can remember...And left him the worst economic environment since the great depression.

    And w/ that being the case...If you do not see a need for social services...Please, be my guest....Don't use them.

    This post was edited by catcard202 on 10/30/2012 at 7:27 AM

    catcard202

  • I've come to realize there's an underlying reason people become AND vote Liberal... and that is, they obviously do not think very highly of themselves. coffee

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    JawJacker

  • Or they pull their head out of their asses & realized that everything that's good for billionaires, isn't necessarily good for the common working man.
    And that Wall Street capitalism in it's most vulturous form, isn't good for main street America.

    It's kinda hard to argue that it is, when it's led to over 46Million people in this country living below the poverty line! The largest # of Americans in the 52yrs the census bureau had been publishing it's results. (per the 2010 US Census Bureau that poverty line for a family of 4 was ONLY a little over $22K in household income! Which is SQUAT.).

    The # of Americans living below the poverty line is roughly equal to the entire population of the 22 least populated states combined!!!

    The population of Wyoming, Vermont, North & South Dakota, Alaska, Delaware, Montana, Rhode Island, New Hampshire, Maine, Hawaii, Idaho, Nebraska, West Virgina, New Mexico, Nevada, Utah, Kansas, Arkansas, Mississippi, Iowa, Connecticut = 45,052,212 people.

    catcard202

  • catcard202 said...

    Or they pull their head out of their asses & realized that everything that's good for billionaires, isn't necessarily good for the common working man. And that Wall Street capitalism in it's most vulturous form, isn't good for main street America.

    It's kinda hard to argue that it is, when it's led to over 46Million people in this country living below the poverty line! The largest # of Americans in the 52yrs the census bureau had been publishing it's results. (per the 2010 US Census Bureau that poverty line for a family of 4 was ONLY a little over $22K in household income! Which is SQUAT.).

    The # of Americans living below the poverty line is roughly equal to the entire population of the 22 least populated states combined!!!

    The population of Wyoming, Vermont, North & South Dakota, Alaska, Delaware, Montana, Rhode Island, New Hampshire, Maine, Hawaii, Idaho, Nebraska, West Virgina, New Mexico, Nevada, Utah, Kansas, Arkansas, Mississippi, Iowa, Connecticut = 45,052,212 people.

    This is the worst post I've ever read. Its the American dream man. You need to take a step back from the keyboard for a couple hours. Much worse things than being below the poverty line. I see happy people below the poverty line every single day. They are happy because they are free. They have family, they have god, and they have a love for their country. Some are even much happier than the billionaire. They have less worry and they lead a less complicated lifestyle. Its not near as bad as you make it seem. It the person who is poor wants it bad enough then he or she can make the american dream happen. Its up to that person. Those that aren't capable get help. What more do you want?

    This post was edited by tWhit on 10/30/2012 at 12:23 PM

    tWhit

  • You mean get help from the social services that this REP party wants to cut the guts out of???

    You guys can not have it both ways...Can't just say they can get help & at the same time, plan to cut the funding for said help. (Ryan Budget)

    And as far as upward mobility in America is concerned...It's been slipping for decades...We have fallen well behind other industrialized nations.

    (What Ever Happened To Upward Mobility?)

    What Ever Happened To Upward Mobility? - TIME

    Why the U.S. has become the land of less opportunity--and what we can do to revive the American Dream

    www.time.com

    catcard202

  • catcard202 said...

    You mean get help from the social services that this REP party wants to cut the guts out of???

    You guys can not have it both ways...Can't just say they can get help & at the same time, plan to cut the funding for said help. (Ryan Budget)

    And as far as upward mobility in America is concerned...It's been slipping for decades...We have fallen well behind other industrialized nations.

    (What Ever Happened To Upward Mobility?)

    LOL. Those damn republicans took it away.

    tWhit

  • So, since you can not disprove any of the things I have stated...You resort to making condescending remarks??? Typical..

    But I guess it is hard to argue your side, when the facts prove my point for me.

    catcard202

  • What would be the point of trying to disprove any thing you state? You've got your mind made up and frankly I don't care to change it. And for the record I'm not republican. I haven't put all my beliefs into a neat little box yet. I'm still taking it all in. But I do find it fun messing with some of you who seem so bought into to one side.

    tWhit

  • catcard202 said...

    Or they pull their head out of their asses & realized that everything that's good for billionaires, isn't necessarily good for the common working man. And that Wall Street capitalism in it's most vulturous form, isn't good for main street America.

    It's kinda hard to argue that it is, when it's led to over 46Million people in this country living below the poverty line! The largest # of Americans in the 52yrs the census bureau had been publishing it's results. (per the 2010 US Census Bureau that poverty line for a family of 4 was ONLY a little over $22K in household income! Which is SQUAT.).

    The # of Americans living below the poverty line is roughly equal to the entire population of the 22 least populated states combined!!!

    The population of Wyoming, Vermont, North & South Dakota, Alaska, Delaware, Montana, Rhode Island, New Hampshire, Maine, Hawaii, Idaho, Nebraska, West Virgina, New Mexico, Nevada, Utah, Kansas, Arkansas, Mississippi, Iowa, Connecticut = 45,052,212 people.

    Spoken like a true lib.

    Congratulations... you finally found yourself. cheers

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  • catcard202 said...

    So, since you can not disprove any of the things I have stated...You resort to making condescending remarks??? Typical..

    But I guess it is hard to argue your side, when the facts prove my point for me.

    A few months ago our fair weathered friend, twit, said he didn't know anything about politics and that he had to learn. So he started to listen to some right wing radio dj and now you have this. It's a common story in Kentucky. Breed ignorance with frothy mouthed political rage and this is the result. Germany had the same thing a few decades ago.

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  • When is the election this year? November 6th or 7th?

    Keep Calm & Stoops On..

    _Mike_

  • November the 6th...But according to some...It could be as late as Nov. 8th, (if your a AZ Latino or live in NE Ohio).

    Ottawa Co. Ohio was won by Obama by roughly 2000 votes in 2008. 2200 residents received incorrect voter information cards...Maybe not such a big #...but every vote counts & OHIO is a swing state.

    Maricopa is AZ densest populated county w/ nearly 3.8M residents...Nearly 1/3 of which are Latino. (over 1.2M residents)...Where that kind of "mistake" could easily swing that state one way...And maybe the election!

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    Latino Voters in AZ Get Material With Mistaken Election Date - Again | Fox News Latino

    The Spanish language side of 2,000 of the 3,000 printed bookmarks erroneously give the election date as Nov. 8.

    latino.foxnews.com

    Ohio County Mails Out 2,200 Postcards With Wrong Election Date Printed

    About 2,200 voters in northwest Ohio were mailed official postcards listing the presidential election date as Nov. 8 when Election Day is Nov. 6. News, Sports, Weather, Traffic and the Best Of Cleveland

    cleveland.cbslocal.com

    catcard202

  • It cracks me up that people still fall for that crap. If a person doesn't know election day is the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November, maybe they shouldn't vote. I can live with my guy losing an election if the other side's voters are well informed.

    stillDA23

  • Well informed is one thing...But Mis-Informed by design is a completely different issue!

    The AZ case...It wasn't a one time mistake...And it's only occurred in the Spanish versions of the documents that were released. Which makes it look to be a deliberate effort to mis-inform a minority...Which is unacceptable.

    This post was edited by catcard202 on 11/1/2012 at 7:49 AM

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