The Paddock

Yeah. It was someone else. You've been accusing me since I started and you are suddenly accusing someone else. Who was being hateful and argumentative again? Look in the mirror.

Yeah. I'll just leave you to it. There's always one in every crowd.

I've never, ever heard that Tebow was hated by his teammates. I keep hearing that he forces his beliefs on others and on his teammates. I also heard how when he was at Florida, his teammates went above and beyond to protect him FROM GETTING LAID! Because they respected him and his beliefs. I heard how at the Wonderlic test, he asked, "Is it ok if we pray?" then he promptly got cussed out. Tim Tebow is a fine young man who just wins. He has a knack for getting his teammates to follow him. I get the "nobody likes a goody 2 shoes" argument. I do believe it's more that than his religion, but some of it is because of his Christianity. There is a backlash in this country for being an outspoken Christian. And Christians should expect that because Jesus told us it would happen. I love Tim Tebow, and I hope he succeeds long-term in this league.

Isn't this thread the very definition of a baiting thread? JDrumm starts a controversial thread, and the 30 replies later, the man's disappeared. Doesn't seem right.

It's not new, but certain Christians like to portray themselves in an us vs. them, we're the underdog type of light. It's not true, and I don't know if that's how Tebow believes, but some are eating it up over Tebow and battle lines are getting drawn (or redrawn).

A lot of us don't appreciate the idea that God's gifts or God's mercies are going to be made manifest on a football field. There are going to be evil people who succeed (most of them wear really ugly orange) and fine Christians who fail. I can't think of anything Tebow has said that particularly offends me, but our boy Stevie Johnson said something last year that was very disconcerting--about how God let him drop a touchdown pass. That's just bad theology. If it's God that lets you make a touchdown, then it's also God who let the other guy got beat.

I'm pretty much with you throughout this whole thread. And I'll add that the best thing about Tebow is his ability to be a role model for kids. And bottom line part of being a christian is professing your faith for others to see. Its about sharing the word of god. Not only does Tebow do it on where we can see he also does it where we can't. Mission trips etc.

You're wrong.

Matthew 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

And to go more in depth about it:

Matthew 6:5 - 7

5. And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

Jesus says you must definitely not pray as the hypocrites pray.

6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Here Jesus says when thou prayest, you must pray this way:
(1) enter into thy closet.
(2) shut the door.
(3) pray to thy Father which is in secret.
(4) use not vain repetitions.
(Prayer must be in private, not in front of other people.
Do not repeat things over and over again in prayer)

An attribute of a true Christian is: He only prays in private, never in public.

I agree with everything you said DJ.

As a human being I have the right to judge whoever and whatever I like. We all have that right and we all exercise that right. It's just that some of us aren't hypocritical about it. And there aren't any context issues with those passages. Unless the bible contradicts itself it's there in black and white as spoken by Jesus. If you believe the bible.

Okay, let me get this straight... you can make offensive, false claims about someone such as this:

"I don't believe the "Tebow Act". . . I think he does it for show, and think he is a fraud. . . He is transparent. . . If you buy into it then you are delusional. . ."

Yet, when someone makes false claims about you... you call them a "FOOL"? Wow... now I want you to ponder on that a while.... let it marinate real good and then, tell me who the fool is.

Why the name-calling Brad? Did I hit a nerve? I'm sorry if I misspoke... what I SHOULD have said is: You tend to have a problem with any Christian who "practices" his faith in public or "speaks so openly" about it in a public forum.

Now... if I'm still a fool for that comment, then you need work on your typing skills... because I can go back about 6 or 7 months and show you MANY post where you gave "that" impression. Again, if I'm wrong... it's because your own post led me to believe this way.

Maybe you should go back an do alot editing

Tebow does not have the benefit of ProBowl supporting cast. He doesn't turn the ball over. Lulls opposing defenses to sleep- then throws at blown coverages.

Broncos are winning with field position, Defense and timely big plays. Nobody mentions Alex Smith... But he too is a former Urban Meyer spread retread that is kicking ass with aforementioned formula.