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White Music vs Black Music

  • Which has had the greater influence on society throughout history? A black friend and I, were having this debate earlier. We both agreed that music really didn't take off or become more versatile until the 50's, so we started there. (we may both be wrong about that). Anyway, I think Rock & Roll, which was just taking off, had a huge impact on the younger generation of that era... and has progressed to what we know as Rock & Roll today. We can all agree that Rock & Roll has grown into the most popular form of music world wide. As much as I agree with him about how wonderful Motown was... I think that music only lasted about 2 generations before it died. Don't get me wrong... Motown music is still great... and even popular today, but it's still ALL oldies now. The thing about Country (for example) and Rock... is that they have progressed over time with each generation, whereas, black music has been uniquely different with each passing generation. What I mean is... there was Motown (that died), there was Funk (that died), there was Disco (that died) and now there is Rap, which is the only (what's considered black music) to have progressed for more than 2 generations. It went from the Sugar Hill Gang style (Beat-Box kind of rap) to Hip Hop or what's known as Gangsta Rap. I, personally, don't really know the difference between Hip-Hop and Gangsta... except maybe one uses more foul language than the other.

    For those reasons, I made the argument that so-called "white" music has had the greatest impact or influence on society (long-term), while so-called "black" music has been more generational. Having said that... I agreed that Motown and R&B was some of the greatest music of all time. I LOVE MOTOWN MUSIC. Even though Rap has lasted a while and progressed a little, I expect it to die long before Rock or Country ever will. He disagreed with that... so what do you guys think?

    Which music has had the greatest influence/impact on society as a whole... black or white?

    This post was edited by JawJacker on 12/4/2011 at 11:18 PM

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  • Classical music goes back hundreds of years and until the last century was penned almost entirely by folks of European descent. If you want to include that, the white man's got it.

    If you're talking more about contemporary folk & pop music, it all goes back to the blues. Driving rhythms influenced heavily by African (and Carribean) cultures which were mostly the part of the slave trade. Elvis, The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, the Stones - their roots come largely from early to mid century black music. I don't think that rap / hip hop is going anywhere, although I'm sure it will evolve like rock and country have. Although I hope for the sake of future generations, it evolves better than country has the past 30 or 40 years! How did we go from Hank to this crap? So if you're looking at more like the last hundred years and not 300, then the black man's got it.

    BigTyrone

  • Music is still evolving. Check out my boy Lil Meezy.

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    Lil Meezy- My nuts is big

    http://www.youtube.com/v/kSKnLIgERDY

    BigTyrone

  • I'm not going to post a link here, but I'll describe a video you can find on youtube. It is the most filthy, dirty unbelievably sexual song I've ever heard. The kicker... It was recorded by a female blues artist in the early 1930s named Lucille Bogan. It's called "till the cows come home" and available on youtube.

    BigTyrone

  • Honkeys rule.

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    CarlLexington

  • BigTyrone said...

    Music is still evolving. Check out my boy Lil Meezy.

    Carl I present to you a great example of why the herd should be thinned.

    Rob that was freaking awful and my entire family now has ill feelings toward you.

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    Warmother51

  • BigTyrone said...

    If you're talking more about contemporary folk & pop music, it all goes back to the blues.

    Exactly. Almost all the music that anybody listens to, besides classical, is heavily influenced by the blues--to the extent that it couldn't exist without it. That means jazz, country, rock and roll, r&b.

    Probably the "whitest" strain of influence is the British traditional folky-celtic-y kinda stuff, which when it came to America evolved into string band music and played a big role in the formation of country music. Still, a lot of that music comes from black sources and back in its early commercial days of the 20s and 30s, was well-represented by black bands.

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  • Big Tyrone and dj-ky-cat are correct. What we refer to as rock and roll, would not exist without the blues. Also the blues, in its purest form, is still alive and well, so that is a style of black music that has survived more than a decade. And if you include rock as a form of the blues, it has not only survived, but thrived, for more than a decade.

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  • I can't argue with any of that. I know various styles of music evolved from blues. One of the things we discussed, is who gets the credit for starting Rock&Roll. I know most people give credit to Elvis for that, but they fail to realize that Elvis himself was influenced by black music of those days.

    We can make the case for individual Artists or single hits that made a greater impact or influenced society over the years. There have been a number of songs or individual musicians, artists, etc. that had an effect on each generation more than others... some more so than any certain style of music has.

    For me, it's really hard to make a case for either black or white music in general... they have both put out music over the years that had a great influence. Having said that... when I think of what music wins the battle over all others, it's Rock&Roll. For that reason... I give the edge to "white" music as having the greatest impact. I'm not a music scholar by any stretch of the imagination... this is purely opinionated.

    I think ALL music has influenced society in one way or another, to give credit to one group is a moot point anyway. I suppose that discussing what individual artists or musicians had the greater impact, would be easier.... Hank, Elvis, Micheal Jackson, etc.

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  • JawJacker said...

    it's Rock&Roll. For that reason... I give the edge to "white" music as having the greatest impact. I'm not a music scholar by any stretch of the imagination... this is purely opinionated.

    It sounds like you're trying to make the case that rock and roll is white music, as opposed to black music which is something else. I don't see it that way. Rock and Roll is the music of Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Fats Domino, and Bo Diddley. The fact that white people started playing it, and now play it nearly exclusively, is not relevant to where the music came from or what it is. If you don't believe me, look at what any significant rocker says about their influences.

    djkycat54906

  • dj-ky-cat said...

    It sounds like you're trying to make the case that rock and roll is white music, as opposed to black music which is something else. I don't see it that way. Rock and Roll is the music of Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Fats Domino, and Bo Diddley. The fact that white people started playing it, and now play it nearly exclusively, is not relevant to where the music came from or what it is. If you don't believe me, look at what any significant rocker says about their influences.

    Exactly. It wouldn't exist without so-called "black music." The blues and early R&B completely shaped American music and may have influenced even more people overseas.

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  • dj-ky-cat said...

    It sounds like you're trying to make the case that rock and roll is white music, as opposed to black music which is something else. I don't see it that way. Rock and Roll is the music of Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Fats Domino, and Bo Diddley. The fact that white people started playing it, and now play it nearly exclusively, is not relevant to where the music came from or what it is. If you don't believe me, look at what any significant rocker says about their influences.

    NO, that's incorrect... I was NOT trying to make such case. If you recall (above) I said... " I know most people give credit to Elvis for that, but they fail to realize that Elvis himself was influenced by black music of those days"... which is my ADMISSION that Rock evolved from black artists of that time. My argument is... what Rock has become since the days of Elvis, has outlasted ALL other genres AND did so with primarily "white" artists. For the last 5 or 6 decades, Rock&Roll has been considered white music... and it was the Rock music of "those" decades that has influenced society the most. That's the only case I'm trying to make... NOT that Rock&Roll (itself) was created by white artists. Over the years, black music went an entirely different direction, than what is considered white music.... which today, is primarily Rock and Country. Although, alot of white people "think" they are rappers. LOL

    This post was edited by JawJacker on 12/5/2011 at 5:05 PM

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  • I see your point, but all of rock and roll is the result of black music. I would call that more impactful. And why do white people go to Chick Fil-A, but black people go to Popeye's? That makes no sense. Can't we all just get along?

    BigTyrone

  • BigTyrone said...

    I see your point, but all of rock and roll is the result of black music. I would call that more impactful. And why do white people go to Chick Fil-A, but black people go to Popeye's? That makes no sense. Can't we all just get along?

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  • BigTyrone said...

    I see your point, but all of rock and roll is the result of black music. I would call that more impactful. And why do white people go to Chick Fil-A, but black people go to Popeye's? That makes no sense. Can't we all just get along?

    It took both white and black musical influence to create rock and roll. While the blues may be the most notable building block...it would not have evolved to rock and roll without the influence of country (yes, that's right, country), folk, and others...

    Basically, you can't have one without the other.

    ummagumma

  • You're right, good point. I like it when everybody wins. There are also a lot of similarities between country and blues from the early-mid 20th century. Jimmie Rodgers is known to some as the father of country music (sorry, Hank), but has a lot of songs that overlap with the blues in structure, changes, themes & lyrics. It's all inbred and incestuous. It's just music. hah.

    Jimmie Rodgers was dying of tuberculosis when he recorded the TB Blues. He sounds kind of upbeat but it takes on a different tone when you realize he's actually dying of tuberculosis.

    BigTyrone

  • woops.

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    Jimmie Rodgers- TB Blues

    "His is the music of America. He sang the songs of the people he loved, of a young nation growing strong. His was an America of glistening rails, thundering boxcars, and rain-swept night, of lonesome prairies, great mountains and a high blue sky. He sang of the bayous and the cornfields, the wheated plains, of the little towns, the cities, and of the winding rivers of America." -- inscribed on the Jimmie Rodgers statue in Meridian, Mississippi

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    BigTyrone

  • BigTyrone said...

    I see your point, but all of rock and roll is the result of black music. I would call that more impactful. And why do white people go to Chick Fil-A, but black people go to Popeye's? That makes no sense. Can't we all just get along?

    On that note is Church's chicken still in business? That place has to be the worst food I've ever eaten in my life (unlike you guys who know these things when you have 5 Europeans on a road trip we don't always know which fast food joints are good/bad :P)

    QueenLizzysWildcat

  • QueenLizzysWildcat said...

    On that note is Church's chicken still in business? That place has to be the worst food I've ever eaten in my life (unlike you guys who know these things when you have 5 Europeans on a road trip we don't always know which fast food joints are good/bad :P)

    They went under I believe... some activists misinterpreted our constitution as "separation of church and chicken" and there wasn't enough Christian chicken lovers willing to fight for it, so bye bye Church's Chicken. The Mosque Chicken is the way to go... one can become a millionaire with a minimal investment and they will survive without any hassle at all... from either the activists OR the U.S Government. I'm thinking about investing in a franchise myself. Besides, we will make so much money... we'll be able to afford to shut down the entire month of Ramadan. While everyone else is starving themselves half to death, my ass will be eating Chick Fil-A, but I will have to swing by Popeye's for their biscuits... that shit is the bomb!

    OOPS! Using the words Mosque, Ramadan, Bomb and U.S. Government all in the same damn post, may have the feds at my door any second now... I'M OUT!!!

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    JawJacker

  • JJ I think the pressure of the fantasy play-offs is getting to you brother!

    QueenLizzysWildcat

  • QueenLizzysWildcat said...

    JJ I think the pressure of the fantasy play-offs is getting to you brother!

    Haha. Nah, I just have a sick sense of humor at times.

    Btw, I sure hope everyone knew that was a Joke... especially, the feds! biggrin

    This post was edited by JawJacker on 12/8/2011 at 11:38 AM

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  • Thank you black people for rock-and-roll, classic rock, and country. I think thanks to you every time I hear a good song come on.

    UBigAl5K

  • BigTyrone said...

    I see your point, but all of rock and roll is the result of black music. I would call that more impactful. And why do white people go to Chick Fil-A, but black people go to Popeye's? That makes no sense. Can't we all just get along?

    White people don't go to Popeye's because they don't want to get shot. :)

    Kooky Kats 247

  • UBigAl5K said...

    Thank you black people for rock-and-roll, classic rock, and country. I think thanks to you every time I hear a good song come on.

    Good post.

    BigTyrone