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why did Obama release oil reserves when prices already falling?

  • SMH! Why would he release them when prices have already been falling since April? This makes no sense to me.

    If this administration really wants to create new jobs and reduce the price of oil you can do both in one clean sweep. It's simple too... Open up more domestic drilling. Drill Baby Drill! It would create thousands of jobs and would provide a more stable supply--granted years away but the speculators would still be happy.

    I wouldn't have had a problem when gas was over $4/gallon but it's already back down to $3.30 and headed south. Supply isn't an issue right now, it's illogical and a mere attempt to fool the uninformed voters into thinking that he spurred the decline in the cost of gas--although we all know it was already going down.

    He had better hope that OPEC doesn't get pissed off enough to cut their production in half for a couple of weeks cause then we would be screwed.

    Obama takes flak for tapping emergency oil reserves | Reuters

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama took withering fire from the oil industry and Republicans for agreeing to release the nation's emergency oil supplies, a decision that senior officials said

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  • He knows he is sinking in the polls... he will come up with all sorts of surprises the next 12 months or so, that he can spin in some way to lure your vote. It's nothing but a dog and pony show.

    How in the world does he expect to justify this after he cut off drilling in America? His own actions is what caused prices to go back up in the first place... not to mention, the great oil rig jobs he caused American's to lose. To top it off... he sends millions of our tax dollars to Brazil, so that THEY can prosper while producing oil for America... how brilliant is that? He is such a joke.

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  • roflmao That's friggin' hilarious!

    Btw Cobb.... you know someone will be accusing you of "baiting" again. clap

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  • That is pretty freakin funny.

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    It smells like microwaved homeless people in here.

    Warmother51

  • cobbycobb said...

    SMH! Why would he release them when prices have already been falling since April? This makes no sense to me.

    If this administration really wants to create new jobs and reduce the price of oil you can do both in one clean sweep. It's simple too... Open up more domestic drilling. Drill Baby Drill!

    Well you're half right. The strategic reserve is meant for emergencies for instance if someone set off a suitcase nuke in the Saudi oil fields we would have a devastating global supply problem. That's the kind of thing this is suppose to be used for. Unfortunately presidents past and present, have as you say used the strategic reserve to lower gas prices for political purposes. Congress should pass a law forbidding this IMO.

    OTOH, Obama has been positive about new exploration. Recall that before the BP catastrophe Obama had opened up more areas for off shore production and took a lot of heat from the left on that. Domestic production is really not the answer to lower prices. The incremental increase in domestic oil from more drilling, is not going to have a feather's weight of effect on global crude prices and even at that it would take a couple of years minimum for new sources to even come on line. BTW we are producing more domestic oil now then before the Deep Water Horizon blew up.

    "Ignorance is constricted awareness" - Deepak Chopra

    Deeeefense

  • cobbycobb said...

    SMH! Why would he release them when prices have already been falling since April? This makes no sense to me.

    It was an obvious political move (nothing new for this guy) to try to prop up his sagging poll numbers. The dems will defend him until the bitter end though.

    mdlUK1

  • mdlUK1 said...

    It was an obvious political move (nothing new for this guy) to try to prop up his sagging poll numbers. The dems will defend him until the bitter end though.

    I'm not defending him--I wouldn't have done it.

    But he's playing chicken with OPEC and trying to defuse oil speculation. There's a political aspect as well, no doubt, but there's certainly some rationality behind it.

    djkycat54906

  • Deeeefense said...

    Well you're half right. The strategic reserve is meant for emergencies for instance if someone set off a suitcase nuke in the Saudi oil fields we would have a devastating global supply problem. That's the kind of thing this is suppose to be used for. Unfortunately presidents past and present, have as you say used the strategic reserve to lower gas prices for political purposes. Congress should pass a law forbidding this IMO.

    OTOH, Obama has been positive about new exploration. Recall that before the BP catastrophe Obama had opened up more areas for off shore production and took a lot of heat from the left on that. Domestic production is really not the answer to lower prices. The incremental increase in domestic oil from more drilling, is not going to have a feather's weight of effect on global crude prices and even at that it would take a couple of years minimum for new sources to even come on line. BTW we are producing more domestic oil now then before the Deep Water Horizon blew up.

    Dee, this is kind of a circular argument. We are producing more because of policies and initiatives before Obama even took office (assuming that it takes about 5 years to make a field productive). Secondly, we can easily double US output in 5-6 years by tapping ANWR, the Artic find and through fracking. Granted, it won't make us "independent" but it will allow us to stop buying from unsavory characters.

    Lets be honest. Environmentalists don't want us to tap into our energy potential due to their belief that it will decrease R&D on renewables. So we play this dangerous game of roulette hoping that in the next 15 to 20 years, we can continue to export oil to meet our needs before the entire ME blows up (not to mention Venezuela, Nigeria etc).

    The US consumes approx 19 million barrels of oil a day. I've seen zero evidence from anybody that any type of renewable energy plan will alleviate that in the foreseeable future. So we better figure out how we can better meet our own energy requirements now so we can extricate ourselves from giving two craps about what happens with the Persian Gulf nations.

    The attached article is several months old but it describes the problems domestic producers are facing and the longer term implications.

    U.S. Oil Output Down to a Trickle?

    Domestic oil production faces a long-term decline in the wake of curtailed offshore drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, stemming from the BP oil spill last year. In four to five years, a loss of several hundred thousand barrels a day from the Gulf is

    www.kiplinger.com

    ukaveman

  • mdlUK1 said...

    It was an obvious political move (nothing new for this guy) to try to prop up his sagging poll numbers. The dems will defend him until the bitter end though.

    As the youngsters may say... "true dat". +1

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  • Not sure if anyone on here is guilty of this, but conservatives have been accusing the president recently of trying to purposely raise gas prices. Obviously if he is advocating releases from the strategic reserve to increase supply to lower prices the former cannot be true.

    The critics will have to pick a side in this, he can't be trying to raise and lower prices at the same time.

    "Ignorance is constricted awareness" - Deepak Chopra

    Deeeefense

  • Deeeefense said...

    Not sure if anyone on here is guilty of this, but conservatives have been accusing the president recently of trying to purposely raise gas prices. Obviously if he is advocating releases from the strategic reserve to increase supply to lower prices the former cannot be true.

    The critics will have to pick a side in this, he can't be trying to raise and lower prices at the same time.

    Nothing this President does makes any sense, so why not? Besides, lowering gas prices is not his true motive here... it's to get re-elected.

    His supporters have to pick a side... he can't be against off-shore drilling and at the same time, pay billions of our tax dollars to a foreign country to do it for us. shrug

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  • JawJacker said...

    . he can't be against off-shore drilling and at the same time, pay billions of our tax dollars to a foreign country to do it for us. shrug

    could you explain this? what tax dollars are being paid to who to do exactly what????

    "Ignorance is constricted awareness" - Deepak Chopra

    Deeeefense

  • ukaveman said...

    Dee, this is kind of a circular argument. We are producing more because of policies and initiatives before Obama even took office (assuming that it takes about 5 years to make a field productive). Secondly, we can easily double US output in 5-6 years by tapping ANWR, the Artic find and through fracking. Granted, it won't make us "independent" but it will allow us to stop buying from unsavory characters.

    Kav - I'm all for developing every source of energy we have available including ANWR as long as it can be done safely without creating yet another mess for our kids to clean up later. However ANWR would only supply about 6 months worth of our total crude consumption. So it is at best just one piece of a short term fix:

    "The total production from ANWR would be between 0.4 and 1.2 percent of total world oil consumption in 2030. Consequently, ANWR oil production is not projected to have a large impact on world oil prices.[24] Furthermore, the Energy Information Administration does not feel ANWR will affect the global price of oil when past behaviors of the oil market are considered. "The opening of ANWR is projected to have its largest oil price reduction impacts as follows: a reduction in low-sulfur, light crude oil prices of $0.41 per barrel (2006 dollars) in 2026 for the low oil resource case, $0.75 per barrel in 2025 for the mean oil resource case, and $1.44 per barrel in 2027 for the high oil resource case, relative to the reference case."[24] "Assuming that world oil markets continue to work as they do today, the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) could neutralize any potential price impact of ANWR oil production by reducing its oil exports by an equal amount."

    WE have to start thinking longer term - 20-50 years. Fossil fuels are a finite resource and their supplies are growing smaller every day. The smaller the supply the higher the price.

    "Ignorance is constricted awareness" - Deepak Chopra

    Deeeefense

  • Deeeefense said...

    Kav - I'm all for developing every source of energy we have available including ANWR as long as it can be done safely without creating yet another mess for our kids to clean up later. However ANWR would only supply about 6 months worth of our total crude consumption. So it is at best just one piece of a short term fix:

    "The total production from ANWR would be between 0.4 and 1.2 percent of total world oil consumption in 2030. Consequently, ANWR oil production is not projected to have a large impact on world oil prices.[24] Furthermore, the Energy Information Administration does not feel ANWR will affect the global price of oil when past behaviors of the oil market are considered. "The opening of ANWR is projected to have its largest oil price reduction impacts as follows: a reduction in low-sulfur, light crude oil prices of $0.41 per barrel (2006 dollars) in 2026 for the low oil resource case, $0.75 per barrel in 2025 for the mean oil resource case, and $1.44 per barrel in 2027 for the high oil resource case, relative to the reference case."[24] "Assuming that world oil markets continue to work as they do today, the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) could neutralize any potential price impact of ANWR oil production by reducing its oil exports by an equal amount."

    WE have to start thinking longer term - 20-50 years. Fossil fuels are a finite resource and their supplies are growing smaller every day. The smaller the supply the higher the price.

    Again, I'm not looking at ANWR as anything other than what it is. The "potential" to allow the US to stop buying from some of the unsavory characters. I don't look at it as the total of the worlds consumption but how it would increase US production thus decreasing our reliance on foreign sources.

    Example- ANWR has the potential to provide 1 million barrels a day for a fairly significant period of time (10-15 years). That production by itself would replace either Saudi or Venezuelan imported oil.

    Your cut and paste quotes on ANWR are correct but aren't the context I'm speaking of. Chinese and Indian oil consumption growth is what has put the squeeze on oil supplies over the last 5-7 years. That's not going away. For economic as well as security reasons, it is imperative that we have a comprehensive energy strategy to include production, conservation as well as alternatives (think we've agreed on this before). I've never looked at ANWR as a means of full US energy independence because there will never be such a thing.

    Bottom line is there is A LOT of fossil fuel potential in the US that we should be able to access. The Canadians and Norwegians have no problems whatsoever tapping into their natural resources that are in environmentally sensitive areas and do so in an environmentally friendly way. Why can't we?? Hitting the strategic oil reserve is bad policy and does nothing accept provide a very short respite in prices. Instead of gimmicks, we need a real and comprehensive policy!!

    ukaveman

  • Cause BB4Liberals was crying about gas prices after he switched in his 1983 gas guzzler during Cash for Clunkers.

    UBigAl5K

  • I don't know why he did it either. Politics. But he can't win with you people. If he holds the oil reserves you bash him. If he releases oil from it you bash him.

    BigBlue4Life

  • ukaveman said...

    Bottom line is there is A LOT of fossil fuel potential in the US that we should be able to access. The Canadians and Norwegians have no problems whatsoever tapping into their natural resources that are in environmentally sensitive areas and do so in an environmentally friendly way. Why can't we?? Hitting the strategic oil reserve is bad policy and does nothing accept provide a very short respite in prices. Instead of gimmicks, we need a real and comprehensive policy!!

    agreed

    "Ignorance is constricted awareness" - Deepak Chopra

    Deeeefense

  • Deeeefense said...

    agreed

    Me Too! I knew you and I could agree on some things. cheers

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  • Why Obama’s Desperate Move Could Send Oil Prices Soaring!

    Article about International Energy Agency, Strategic Petroleum Reserve, Petroleum Reserve, Norwegian oil production

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  • Deeeefense said...

    Well you're half right. The strategic reserve is meant for emergencies for instance if someone set off a suitcase nuke in the Saudi oil fields we would have a devastating global supply problem. That's the kind of thing this is suppose to be used for. Unfortunately presidents past and present, have as you say used the strategic reserve to lower gas prices for political purposes. Congress should pass a law forbidding this IMO.

    OTOH, Obama has been positive about new exploration. Recall that before the BP catastrophe Obama had opened up more areas for off shore production and took a lot of heat from the left on that. Domestic production is really not the answer to lower prices. The incremental increase in domestic oil from more drilling, is not going to have a feather's weight of effect on global crude prices and even at that it would take a couple of years minimum for new sources to even come on line. BTW we are producing more domestic oil now then before the Deep Water Horizon blew up.

    False on several fronts Deeeefense. obama may have opened up "more areas" for exploration but he increased the red tape to make permiting impossible. The amount of exploration is down signficantly since he took office because of the new regulations he put in place.

    The new wells coming online were permitted and constructed largely in the bush adm. But the fact is that we are actually producing less now than we were in the 2000's and LOT's less than in the 70's

    Chart attached.

    http://www.tysknews.com/News/reprints/110510-1_insider_Obama_oil_bull.html

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by hoptownukfan on 6/29/2011 at 3:30 PM

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  • Deeeefense said...

    could you explain this? what tax dollars are being paid to who to do exactly what????

    Brazil? shrug

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    JawJacker

  • @hoptownukfan: Look at the article (have never heard of tysknews btw) and check the diagram. In the "2000s" scroll to the right......We are producing more crude oil (5,512) in 2010, since 2004 (5,419). Oil production dropped in the Bush years - specifically from 2004-2008. (Actually there is a decrease in domestic production each year Bush was President 2000-2008).

    You'll notice that in 2009 the production increased, and it then it increased again in 2010. Both years Obama was President.

    I'm not sure what putting "regulations in place" has to do with the amount of domestic crude oil being produced. It's either being produced by X thousands of barrels per day, or its not......regardless of the red tape.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Chiuk on 6/29/2011 at 3:46 PM

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  • JawJacker said...

    Brazil?

    Paying them to do what?

    Chiuk